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By Bob Allen   
Monday, January 26, 2009

CONROE, Texas (ABP) -- A former Baptist General Convention of Texas employee and her husband of 47 years have started a website urging Baptist women to speak up for their rights to be ordained as deacons and senior pastors.

A lifelong Baptist, Shirley Taylor worked as a ministry assistant in the church starting center of the Baptist General Convention of Texas.
Shirley and Don Taylor launched a Baptist Women for Equality (bWe) website and open letter calling on Baptist women to question church bylaws that limit certain leadership roles to men. 

"The action must come from women themselves," Shirley Taylor said in an email interview. "The men have been supportive, but women have not stepped up and claimed their equality."

Taylor said men she worked for at the BGCT were very supportive of women -- though her website is not associated with the state convention -- but there is no church in her association that has a woman deacon.

She said that is partly due to what she believes is faulty teaching about submission, but more so because no one challenges church bylaws that limit the offices of pastor and deacon to men.

Taylor, a grandmother of three, said she attended Baptist churches for many years without worrying about women's equality, until the Southern Baptist Convention changed the Baptist Faith & Message in 1998 and again in 2000 with views she found demeaning to women. Taylor said the SBC, America's second-largest faith group behind Roman Catholics, has "consistently shown a mean spirit toward women."

Taylor started talking to Baptist men and women and found that many -- including pastors -- are ready for women deacons. They know church bylaws excluding women deacons can be changed, but often treat them as if they are sacred documents and would never think of challenging them.

While visiting a large Texas church in October, Taylor coined a phrase describing such bylaws as "the cold heart of the church." It came to her as she sang along with a choir of 35 women and 15 men singing praises to God, and it dawned on her that no matter how much those women loved God, the church they served had bylaws that prevented them from serving as deacons.

She said parents who take their daughters to a church that does not recognize women deacons and pastors tell them they are scripturally inferior to boys every time they attend.

"Every time my church observes the Lord's Supper, and I see only men going forward to serve the bread and juice, I would look at the young girls and wonder how long it would be before they realized that their church was willing to send them off to a foreign land to serve as a missionary but would not allow them to serve the congregation at home," she said.

"We expect that these girls will become Sunday school teachers and Bible school teachers someday and will lead children to Christ. But we will not allow them to serve that child they lead to the Lord a piece of bread or cup of juice."

Taylor said churches have too long "bullied" women with selected Bible verses written by the Apostle Paul. First Timothy 3, for example, often quoted as limiting pastoral roles to men, she says was written in a time where women were considered the property of men, had little education and could not publicly speak to men who were not part of their family.

Women today take their equal rights for granted in everyday life, she said, but "foolishly" give them up in church because of a misinterpretation of Paul's words.

Taylor said for a long time she sympathized with people who said it was one thing for a church to have women deacons, but they were unsure about having a female as pastor, because it wasn't something they were used to.

That changed for her when she studied Acts 10:14-15, where Peter protests he would never eat "impure" non-kosher food and a voice replies, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." If the blood of Jesus could make a pig clean, she reasoned, surely it could reverse the curse of Eve on women.

Taylor calls on women to be proactive by talking to other women and their families, friends, fellow church members and pastors. She encourages women to forward her open letter to others, and email her to join the cause.

Taylor acknowledged she has met resistance -- from some people who fear men will stop coming to a church if women are in charge and and others who spout Bible verses demanding the subordination of women -- but she is undeterred.

"I believe that when people start talking that attitudes will change," Taylor said. "If I have changed my attitude (and I have), then what is keeping the other women sitting in their pews from coming to the same conclusion?"

Taylor said women in Baptist churches are already doing many things that a deacon does, but without the title. She said churches pick what they want to believe, allowing women equal voice in church business matters, sending them to preach as missionaries and granting them any role in church leadership except one or two.

Taylor said her husband is very supportive of the effort, spending hours faxing an abbreviated version of the open letter to churches and LifeWay Christian Stores. Together they have contacted more than 1,000 churches with their message.

"Women are tired of being bullied by men in Baptist churches with selected quotes from Apostle Paul," she wrote in the open letter. "Since we allow women to be the voice to our children to bring them to salvation, how can we deny them any position God calls them to fill?"

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written by Big Daddy Weave, January 26, 2009


The views of the Southern Baptist leadership on women's issues were not unknown pre-1998.

Southern Baptist Women in Ministry (now BWIM) was formed in 1983. Messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution against the ordination of women in 1984. Women-in-ministry was a rather significant and controversial issue throughout the SBC Controversy, er Takeover.

Many Baptists have been involved in promoting biblical equality for a couple decades or more now. Taylor is a little late on the scene.

Why would someone who passionately believes that Southern Baptist churches have a "cold heart" and "bully women," willingly choose to remain involved in and affiliated with such a "mean-spirited" organization especially when there are other Baptist options on the table?

At this point in Baptist life, folks like Taylor need to abandon their wishful thinking and embrace historical reality. The Southern Baptist Convention is what it is - an organization that is for the foreseeable future captive to fundamentalism. Those who have tried to bring SMALL reforms to the SBC in recent years have failed miserably. There are a number of Baptist churches and Baptist organizations here in America that affirm women called to pastoral ministry. Hopefully, Taylor will get connected with one of those organizations so that her passion and energy won't be wasted.
Response to "Big Daddy"
written by Ken, January 27, 2009
You're not helping your case when you bring up Baptist Women in Ministry. At their 2001 meeting, they hosted a service in which they paid tribute to "Mother God." In that same meeting, a teenage girl was applauded when she said the apostle Paul was "wrong about women." The previous year, a board member of BWIM expressed support for the ordination of gays and lesbians (I can document all three instances).

If these are the kind of "reforms" you wanted in the Southern Baptist Convention, then I thank God for Paige Patterson, Paul Pressler, and others who were willing to take a stand against them.

Your talk of a "takeover" in the SBC is downright laughable. Liberals never did represent the Southern Baptist mainstream, and that's why they were voted out of leadership when their theology was made known. If you read the writings of our Baptist forebears, you'll find that the so-called "fundamentalists" are more faithful to historic Baptist principles than BWIM or CBF have ever been.

I agree that the ones who support the ordination of women and other unscriptural practices should separate themselves from the SBC. Many of us would be only too glad to hold the door for them as they exit.
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written by Dr. J, January 27, 2009
Women can do all things men can do. Most of the time, they do a better job. I find it interesting that SBCers select a few scriptures to back their position to exclude women from pastoral ministry. Yet, they seem to ignore many more scriptures such as - "in Christ this is no male nor female". Their narrow interpretation of the Scripture reminds me of the interpretations that supported slavery.
However, I must agree with Ken on one point. Taylor and millions of others should abandon the SBC, stop contributing to it, and move on to more traditional Baptist conventions such as the Baptist General Convention of Missouri.
Dr. J
written by Ken, January 27, 2009
With all due respect, you're taking that passage from Galatians very much out of context. It was speaking in terms of salvation, not of roles in the church. If you take your argument to its logical conclusion, then that verse can also be used to justify homosexual marriage.

I find it interesting how proponents of the ordination of women will dismiss the apostle Paul as a sexist, but then they'll cite his writings when they think it supports their cause. Not exactly an honest hermeneutic.
response to Ken
written by Dr. J, January 28, 2009
Hi Ken:
I do not believe Paul was a sexist. I believe Paul and his writings were colored by the environment. When Paul wrote, women had no standing political or socially. Women were uneducated and most were no self sufficient. Our society is not even close to Paul's patriarchal society. Simply, I choose to interpret Scripture within the context of current society. That said, for me Scripture's statements regarding homosexuality have the same meaning as they did when Paul and others wrote the Scripture.
Response to Dr. J
written by Ken, January 28, 2009
No offense intended, but you're using a very dangerous hermeneutic. Proponents of homosexuality say they are also interpreting Scripture "within the context of today's society." They say Paul and the other writers were only reflecting the "homophobia" of their day. How can you be sure their statements on homosexuality still apply today?

Please don't misunderstand: I think you and I agree that homosexuality is a sin. However, you are playing a dangerous game when you say certain Scriptures are "colored by the environment." Once you start interpreting the Bible in that manner, where do you stop? Christians who defend homosexuality are a case in point.

Furthermore, the Bible's command for men to be the spiritual leaders in the home and in the church is based on the created order, not the whims of society. Again, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think your views on women in the pastorate have been colored by our current "politically correct" society.
repectful disagreement
written by Dr. J, February 01, 2009
Hi Ken:
Thank you for your respectful discussion. I am probably the last person to be colored by political correctness. So, on this issue I think we must resolve to disagree as Christian brothers. I really appreciate your wisdom and wish to follow Scripture.
Response to Dr. J
written by Ken, February 03, 2009
You claim Paul was "colored by the environment" in which he lived, but you claim you are not. With all due respect, why should I give you any more credit than you're willing to give Paul?

I respect your desire to "follow Scripture", but I also read your rather sarcastic comments regarding First Baptist Church in Decatur, GA. In the future, I hope you will be more temperate in your criticism of us so-called "fundamentalists" who also wish to follow Scripture. Our opposition to female pastors has ample scriptural support, and we do not apologize for obeying the Word of God.

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