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By Bob Allen   
Tuesday, June 02, 2009

BUENA PARK, Calif. (ABP) -- While most pro-life leaders condemned the May 31 murder of a controversial abortion provider inside his Wichita, Kan., church, one former Southern Baptist Convention official called it an answer to prayer.

"I am glad George Tiller is dead," Wiley Drake, the SBC's former second vice president, said on his Crusade Radio program June 1.

Tiller, one of only a few doctors in America who still performed a controversial late-term procedure termed "partial-birth" abortion by critics, was gunned down in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church just after the morning worship service began. He was serving as an usher for the congregation, where he was a long-time member.

Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., called Tiller "a brutal, murdering monster" and said he is "grateful to God" that the physician is no longer around.

"There may be a lot who would say, 'Oh that is mean. You shouldn't be that way,'" Drake said. "Well, no, it's an answer to prayer."

Drake said he prayed nearly 10 years for the salvation of Tiller, medical director of the Women's Health Care Services clinic and an outspoken advocate for abortion rights. About a year ago, Drake said, he switched to what he called "imprecatory prayer."

"I said to the Lord, 'Lord I pray back to you the Psalms, where it says that they are to become widowers and their children are to become orphans and so forth.' And we began calling for those imprecatory prayers, because he had obviously turned his back on God again and again and again," Drake said.

Drake called Tiller "a reprobate" and a "brutal, arrogant murderer" who "bragged on his own website how many babies he had killed."

"Would you have rejoiced when Adolf Hitler died during the war?" Drake asked. "Or would you have said, 'Oh that is terrible for him to be killed'? No, I would have said, 'Amen, praise the Lord, hallelujah, I'm glad he's dead.'"

"This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler," Drake said. "So I am happy. I am glad that he is dead. Now I am sad that he went to hell, because he had a choice just like everybody else did. He could have chosen Jesus Christ and when he died went to heaven. But he chose the devil. He chose to neglect, he chose to reject Jesus Christ. And therefore on Sunday morning when he breathed his last breath there in the Lutheran church, he breathed his last breath, and he slipped into the presence of the devil. And I have a strange hunch and a strange feeling that there is a special, superheated, super-hot place in hell for people like George Tiller."

Wiley Drake was second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006-2007.
Drake, who served as second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006-2007, made headlines in 2007 for issuing a call for similar "imprecatory prayer" -- prayers from the Bible urging divine wrath on the enemies of God -- against leaders of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. That was after AU asked the Internal Revenue Service to review whether Drake violated tax law when he used church letterhead and his radio program to endorse Mike Huckabee for president. The IRS investigated and cleared Drake of any wrongdoing last year.

Drake also made news during his term as an officer of the nation's second-largest faith group when the Southern Poverty Law Center found his name on an Army of God website endorsing a "Declaration of Support for James Kopp."

Kopp was convicted in 2003 of second-degree murder for the 1998 sniper killing of Barnett Slepian, an obstetrician/gynecologist who performed legal abortions at a clinic in Buffalo, N.Y.

Drake said in 2007 that he never signed any such document and claimed he had never heard of Kopp until the controversy. Drake said "killing a doctor that is a baby killer is never right," because "two wrongs do not make murder right."

Steve Wetzel, who posted the statement originally on a website called Missionaries to the Unborn, said there was some confusion, because some people sent e-mails supporting Kopp believing he was innocent and being railroaded by the government and were later shocked when he confessed to the crime.

Law-enforcement officials arrested Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., shortly after the murder of Tiller. He reportedly had been a vocal opponent of abortion rights, and relatives and his former wife described him as mentally disturbed in several news reports June 1 and 2.

The SBC's top ethicist condemned Tiller's murder. "Murdering someone is a grotesque and bizarre way to emphasize one's commitment to the sanctity of human life. People who truly believe in the sanctity of human life believe in the sanctity of the lives of abortion providers as well as the unborn babies who are aborted," Richard Land, head of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said in a June 1 Baptist Press release. "Clearly the killing of abortion providers is unbiblical, unchristian and un-American. Such callous disregard for human beings brutalizes everyone."

During his June 1 radio show, Drake tried unsuccessfully to call several leaders in the anti-abortion movement before managing to contact Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue.

"We're so close to the situation here in Wichita, and out of deference for the family that is grieving, no matter how brutal he was, he never really deserved to be treated like that," Newman said of Tiller.

"It just defies the pro-life ethic to take human life," Newman said. "The pro-life ethic is that we honor and cherish human life, from the moment of conception to natural death. The only thing that can interrupt that would be a judicial decree by the magistrate, and it didn't happen in this case. This is vigilantism, where one man became judge, jury and executioner. It's horrible."

Drake said he agreed that it was wrong for Tiller's killer to take the law into his own hands, "but people ask me, 'Are you happy that he's dead?'"

Drake told listeners he found parallels between Tiller's church and a story from World War II about a church that would overhear Jews being taken to the death camps in passing trains. During one service, he said, the pastor asked people to sing louder so they couldn't hear the screams of people on their way to Hitler's ovens.

"That was a Lutheran church," Drake said. "Now here was another Adolf Hitler scenario. Here was George Tiller brutally murdering babies nearby.... He began to attend, to give some validity to his life I guess, a Lutheran church. And instead of the Lutheran church saying, 'We don't want you' or 'You need to repent and turn to Jesus,' they said 'Sing louder,' because he was singing louder about putting more money into the offering plate. He was putting thousands of dollars into the Lutheran church and they said, 'Sing louder.'"

"I, for one, am a happy camper," Drake said. "I am glad."

Tiller's church posted a statement on its website deploring the violence that had taken place in its facility and asking for prayers for the church and Tiller's family.

The statement also condemned "any notion that violence against another human being is an acceptable way to resolve differences over any issue. We must always strive to engage in peaceful discussion. Our faith calls us to this. Our humanity demands it.

"In this time of uncertainty, we stand firm in the promises of Jesus Christ: forgiveness, hope, love, and new life, even from death. We pray for healing and peace to be restored. We offer our thanks for the many prayers of support from across the country. Your words of encouragement are a blessing to the people of Reformation Lutheran Church and Wichita."

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written by robertangison, June 02, 2009
While Wiley Drake might have served in an official capacity in the SBC there were plenty that did not want him there to begin with, or have him back. Mr. Drake is a prime example of the arrogant, closed minded fundamentalism that is seeking to damage the SBC. Yet to try to link him with the base of the SBC is wrongheaded and an example of slanted journalism.

Besides that I would hasten to call Mr. Drake's program a "radio show" since it appears over the internet. There are plenty of people out there who hold extreme views. Lest we forget this site has harbored one or two of them. Yet we should not attempt to indict the whole based on a single (albeit ridiculous) part.

You should, and can, do better.

You are the Church!
R.A.
What an embarrassment
written by Slick, June 02, 2009
All Baptist should be outraged and embarrassed by Wiley Drake. He is an insignificant person in Baptist life and one must wonder where he really stands in the Kingdom. I can only assume that AB Press gave this coverage to show what a reprobate and apostate Drake really is. But in this country everyone has a certain about of freedom to be an idiot and Drake is obviously exercising all of his is this area. Put him in a box with Mohler and Ken and the other venomous fundamentalists and ship 'em all off to Mongolia.

-from a pretty conservative Baptist.
How Do You Compare Hitler to Tiller?
written by docholladay, June 02, 2009
I am amazed at the folks who compare Tiller to Hitler, advocating that Tiller "was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler." Hitler engaged in a deliberate, systematic, cold-blooded effort to exterminate, not only a whole race of people, but all others who did not share a pure Ayrian bloodline (by many accounts over 9,000,000 people in all). Tiller's actions, no matter what you feel about abortion, hardly meet that standard of horror.
slick
written by Ken, June 02, 2009
"Put him in a box with Mohler and Ken and the other venomous fundamentalists and ship 'em all off to Mongolia."

Ah, I see you're upholding the typical liberal ideals of "freedom", "tolerance", and "diversity" - for those who agree with you.
docholladay
written by Ken, June 02, 2009
"How Do You Compare Hitler to Tiller?"

Hitler murdered people to advance a racist agenda. Tiller murdered babies for profit. That may not make Tiller as big a scoundrel as Hitler, but neither does it mean we should disregard his own crimes against humanity.

Do I condone Tiller's murder? No. Do I think his murderer should be punished? Yes. After all, Tiller was a human being. However, the unborn babies he destroyed were also human beings. It seems to me that some people are too willing to disregard that fact.
media feeding frenzy
written by tenor1, June 02, 2009
The more press this guy Tiller gets the more the more the secular media are able to take cheap shots against pro-life Christian conservatives. I can see it: "The face of the Christian Right!" As horrific as the murder of late term babies is, civilized society is better than that. Let it go!
wrong name
written by tenor1, June 02, 2009
I meant Wiley Drake!
tenor1
written by Ken, June 02, 2009
"The more press this guy [Drake] gets the more the more the secular media are able to take cheap shots against pro-life Christian conservatives."

I suspect that's precisely what ABP has in mind.
response
written by Dr. J, June 02, 2009
I think it was wrong to murder Tiller. But I must admit I am happy he can no longer murder unborn babies.
tenor1 is correct
written by Slick, June 03, 2009
Tenor1 says it rightly that Drake and others of his ilk are often the face of Baptists. Not all of us conservative Baptists are ultra-radical fundamentalists. While I consider myself pretty conservative, I am repulsed at being under the same broad Southern Baptist umbrella with someone like Wiley Drake.
Innocent Lives and the LImits of God's Patience
written by historygal58, June 03, 2009
Just how long do you think God is willing to allow a man to live when he claims to have killed 60,000 babies since 1973? How long will God remain patient? How many times do you think God put witnesses in front of Tiller to honestly and respectfully try to lead him to a personal relationship with Christ? How many times did Tiller have the opportunity to repent of his evil behavior?
Tiller knew exactly what he was doing. He was clearing $1 million a year killing babies. He saw the ultrasounds of the infants in their mother's wombs. He grabbed their little feet and pulled their struggling bodies part way out of their mothers' bodies--He saw their little feet kicking as they struggled. He inserted the scissors up through the birth canal to cut holes in the back of their little heads to insert a suction tube to drain out their brains. He inserted the forceps to crush their empty skulls and he pulled their lifeless remains out of their mother's bodies. He did it at least 30,000 times.
There are limits to God's patience ! Tiller's salvation would have been a great thing but even God has His limits.
slick
written by Ken, June 03, 2009
"While I consider myself pretty conservative, I am repulsed at being under the same broad Southern Baptist umbrella with someone like Wiley Drake."

Yet you seem to have no qualms about putting me in the same category as Drake. Why the double standard?
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written by tj282828, June 03, 2009
ABP is just doing what the rest of the media is doing. . . painting Bible believing Christians as dangerous. I believe the discussion has missed the bigger point. U.S. culture is slowly seeing us as dangerous! They currently laugh at us as being ridiculous, unworthy of respect. Soon they will see us as dangerous. Do you see where this is going? Mark my words, 20 years from now Bible believing Christians will be persecuted in the U.S.
Question for tj
written by Slick, June 03, 2009
Do you really think the media are attacking ALL Bible-believing Christians or just reporting on what many, many Christians believe are extremists. And next, you say people are beginning to see you (your word was us)as dangerous. What causes you to say that?

The problem with people like Wiley Drake and other ultra-radical fundamentalist is that they think that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist positions aren’t Christian. They always want to pick a fight with someone over not being conservative enough. These are the modern-day Pharisees who have harmed the Kingdom more than advancing it. I was blest to have been a staff member of an SBC church where we never got into conservative-moderate-liberal arguments but looked to God’s Word for the truth.
slick
written by Ken, June 03, 2009
"The problem with people like Wiley Drake and other ultra-radical fundamentalist is that they think that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist positions aren’t Christian."

Yet you label anyone who disagrees with you as an "ultra-radical fundamentalist" or a "Pharisee." Again, why the double standard?
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written by tj282828, June 03, 2009
Slick, all you need to do is read your history. Nero blamed Christians for burning Rome. Now it was not true, but slander never is. Christians were not killed because they followed Christ, they were killed because of the orgies they had during the love feast/the Lord's Supper. Early Christians were killed because they would not support the government by doing the simple patriotic duty of Emperor worship. How long will believers in our time be able to sing God bless America? Does God bless baby killing, divorce, gay marriage, fornication and other sins America celebrates. You are blind Slick. You don't even understand that when the media attacks Christian extremist they are attacking you. Jeremiah's nation did not realize their time was up either. People never seem to see what is right in front of their face. . . pervasive sin does that to a culture.

A video that will open your eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UyZYpeReY
Bob Allen/ABP Take the Easy Way Out... Again -- Bash SBC
written by pjerwin, June 04, 2009
Okay, this is apparently vintage Wiley Drake. He should be repudiated. But I also want to point out once again the modus operendi of Bob Allen. He goes for the easy "hate the SBC" atory by going to a guy like this for an opinion and a quote when, in fact, other SBC leaders responded in a far different way and the information was readily available. To wit: "Southern Baptist ethicist Richard Land and other pro-life leaders quickly condemned the May 31 killing of abortion doctor George Tiller. Probably the best-known abortion provider in the United States, Tiller was shot to death on Sunday morning inside the building of Reformation Lutheran Church, the Wichita, Kan., congregation of which he was a member... The entire pro-life community 'must swiftly and soundly repudiate' the one who killed Tiller if he 'was acting in the name of the pro-life movement,' said Land, President of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, in a statement released the day of the murder. Tiller's slaying 'is a human tragedy,' Land said. 'Murdering someone is a grotesque and bizarre way to emphasize one's commitment to the sanctity of human life. People who truly believe in the sanctity of human life believe in the sanctity of the lives of abortion providers as well as the unborn babies who are aborted... Clearly the killing of abortion providers is unbiblical, unchristian and un-American. Such callous disregard for human beings brutalizes everyone.' The country's major pro-life organizations denounced Tiller's murder."
pjerwin
written by Ken, June 05, 2009
You're right on target. All of these ABP articles have failed to point out that Drake was a candidate for SBC president last year. He was one of six nominees, and he came in dead last. I think that pretty well proves that he doesn't represent the mainstream.

Al Mohler also denounced the killing, but that didn't stop "Slick" from putting him in the same category as Drake. Some people are so consumed with hatred that they refuse to let facts get in their way. And they have the unmitigated gall to call us bigots?

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