Warren could have been the next Billy Graham, but his flip flops have sunk his hopes. I do believe it is important to note that the death penalty is only being sought for homosexuals who engage in sex while being HIV positive. Of coarse the media does not report this. HIV in Africa is a death sentence. . . so HIV homosexual sex is murder.

KT2005, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Do a little research before you post. The death penalty was being sought for repeat offenders too, meaning if you engage in homosexual acts repeatedly and get caught, you would also be killed. Of course, the media has already reported that they amended the proposed law to eliminate the death penalty (for both acts). BTW, if HIV homosexual sex is murder, wouldn't HIV heterosexual sex also be murder? Why not implement a death penalty for these sex acts too? Oh, that's right, you are your ilk are only okay with killing God's gay children.

As a pastor I do not and have not been looking to Rick Warren for guidance or shepherding. His aids conference with Hillary Clinton as key note speaker is an embarrasement when the cheif cause of aids is homosexuality in which Hillary is a major supporter. Warrens attempts over the last 15 years to make church look and act and sound like the world in hopes that it will reach the world is one of the biggest reasons the church is weak in doctrine and stagnant in growth. I dont think we should put homosexuals to death, they are doing that to themselves. I do believe sodomy is a crime that should be punished because these perverts are the ones who abduct, molest, rape, and kill countless children every year. These perverts live in drugs, violence, all kinds of sexual perversion and some how we are supposed to treat them as a minority with special rights? The church in America had better wake up or the laws that are being passed right now will soon cause the Bible believeing and preaching churches to close their doors because of lawsuits brought by perverts.

I dont believe God has any gay children. You can't be both. You cannot be lost and saved. You cannot live an ungodly lifestyle and be godly.
And, if a heterosexual male with aids, knowingly infects his partner or partners he should be punished for murder or attempted murder, if the sentence for that crime is the death penalty so be it.

Warren is the worst kind of slime. By not vigorously voicing opposition to the proposed gay genocide in Uganda, he draws condemnation from a world astonished by the depths of his hatred and bigotry. So, he waits until the death penalty is removed from the Ugandan legislation, and then tries to redeem himself by telling us that he opposes the killing of gay people when it no longer matters, when he can say this without losing face with the Ugandan power structure he's been wooing. We aren't fooled. Rick Warren relishes the opportunity to to see gay people killed, as do most "christians" of my acquaintance.

KT2005, the law imposes the death penalty for acts besides engaging in gay sex while HIV positive. You should probably take a closer look at it:

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/15/15609

ss22, as of this writing (2:41 EDT, Dec. 10, 2009), the bill has not, by reputable international reports, yet been amended to exclude the death penalty. Many are speculating it will be, but it has not been yet.

Even if it is amended to get rid of the death penalty, it still imposes rather draconian penalties on gay sex, people who advocate for gay rights, and people who decline to turn in the names of suspected homosexuals to authorities.

Anyone infected with aids who knowingly infects others should be prosecuted for comitting a hate crime. The spread of aids in Uganda is the real genecide and and if it is not contained the continent will be lost. Are millions of lives the price that has to be paid for more P.C.

ss22,

I beg to differ. Read this article, it confirms what I am saying.

all africa dot com

A Ugandan official has this to say about the death penalty for gays:

"There have been attacks from gays and their sympathizers and our (Uganda's) donors have put pressure on government. They have used the suggested clause on aggravated homosexuality, which was an import from already passed act on defilement, to alarm people that the Bill is about killing gays. This is a distortion of facts," he said.

You are misinformed my friend. Now what is important to note here is the growing power of the homosexual lobby in international affairs. This bill threatens the homosexual lobby by cutting off their LGBT activist groups in Uganda that are funded with lots of dollars.

Ugandans report gay recruitment from international groups. This is happening, in fact, this is why so many gays teach in America's public schools. Impossible you say? Read this article about President Obama's Safe School Czar Kevin Jennings. He and the organization he founded, The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, handed out "fisting kits" to children as young as 14. Parents, do you know there is now Gay and Straight Alliance student groups in most high schools. . . just like there is a fellowship of Christian Athletes? Ask you children about it. . . they know. Read for yourself about our so called Safe School/Gay recruiter Czar:

Go to biggovernmentdotcom and look for fistgate 1-5 articles

Or here again at the Washington Times:

Go to washington times dot com search risky safe sex czar

The homosexual agenda is very planned and active in our culture. They will not stop until homosexual experimentation is a normal teenage experience. They are both radical and at times violent (see Calf. protest of churches who supported the marriage amendment). It won't be too many years before saying homosexuality is sin is hate speech and prosecuted. Its already happened in Canada and Europe. If conservatives lose control of our high court it will happen.

Now I know this sounds way out there, but its true. The Safe School Czar is doing outrageous stuff, and the media says nothing. These are the people running our nations schools. Read people, your freedom and children depends on it!

Sorry about the links problem. Administration blocks you if you link to anything.

You are absolutely right. We are told to pretend homosexuality is not dangerous. We are told to pretend that Muslims are not dangerous. We are told to pretend that Government take over of our health care is not dangerous. We are told all of this by the same people who tell us that cows passing gas, and us driving our suv is going to destroy the planet. How stupid this nation has become.

truly believe what you're saying, you need to be marching with the Phelps' at vets funerals, right?

The bill prescribes the death penalty for those with HIV who have homosexual sex, but... there is no requirement that the accused must have known that he/she is HIV-positive. There is similarly no excuse if the other person did not become infected as a result of the act--for example, if condoms were used, or if both partners were already infected. And finally, as someone already pointed out, there is no like penalty if an HIV-positive man has sex with a woman.

One final word: Christians! Do you really think it's okay to imprison FOR LIFE those whom you believe are living in sin? Really? I understand that you can't condone homosexuality. But if you are silent for just a moment, surely you must realize that this is a horrific piece of legislation.

I don't believe it is too much to ask that homosexuals make sure they are not HIV positive. To not know is to potentially kill people. As you well know, HIV is basically a gay decease. Statistics prove this, and I have even seen articles by homosexuals saying such. Millions have died in Africa and around the world because homosexuals infect one another with this deadly decease. How you can stand there and say gays bear no responsibility for their deadly behavior is amazing.

Also, before you go and think this is just another hating Christian ponder this. Gays die years earlier than heterosexuals. Its safer to smoke cigarettes your whole life than it is to be gay. Homosexual suicide rates are also way above those of heterosexuals. Christians are the only ones saying that gays are more than dogs and can control themselves. Anyone with eyes to read knows that homosexuality is anything but a healthy and happy lifestyle. It is love that calls us to say you can do better, and it is love that calls us to protect others from your self destructing lifestyle.

Bobby McCord is a pastor!!?!?!?!?!? Am I reading this correctly? I've been a Christian since I was baptized, confirmed, and even born again in my later teens. I am now 59 y/o, and have been so saddened over my years how "so called" Christians like Bobby are ruining the faith of so many. This is the reason for decreesing membership. Bobby you are creating lies to spew your hatred, and using the Lords name to do it. What a sad coward. You will contact the WHO (World Health Organization) and you will learn that in the world there are more breeders with HIV than Gays. And it has always been that way. In the USA it is predominantly in the Gay community because that is where it happened to hit first. It could have just as easily hit the straight community first. Would you have written all he same comments as you did here, but substituting the word straight for gay? No? So you are a 2- faced hypocrite too? You and the likes of Hotze, Warren, Wilson, Phelps, and the late Mr Falwell. Reminding me of when Falwell blamed Katrina hitting New Orleans on Gays. HaHaHa ..... The Gay section of New Orleans was one of the least affected. Didn't flood.!!! How sad and desperate you people are trying to make your religion Exclusive instead of Inclusive. Unfortunately, it's working

A coward doesn't use his real name deej. The differnece between what you call gay and straight is clear in God's Word (Romans 1) Read it sometime. Being gay is a perversion. Check the statistics of all of those on the sex offender list of the law enforcement dept. in your area. You will find that most, over 90%, are Homosexuals. One perversion leads to another. Christianity is exclusive. It is exclusive to the point that only those who repent of their sins(that means turn away from their sinful lifestyle) and trust Christ as their Lord and Savior can be saved. I do agree that the adulerous lifestyle of a "straight" is just as sinful. A sinful lifestyle is proof of a sinful lost heart. Your problem is that you are a product of liberal false teaching that disregards the Bible. You are more worried about being politically correct than biblically correct. Standing for truth does offend the world. The world was so offended by Christ that they crucufied Him. The world was so offended by Paul that they beheaded him. When looking back at what my heroes of the faith have endured, your liberal rantings and name calling are miniscule. Merry Christmas. I hope that doesn't offend you too. I take that back, I really dont care if you are offended or not.

Testing. . .Testing. . .Testing

“Pastor” McCord:

You said, “.The difference between what you call gay and straight is clear in God's Word (Romans 1) Read it sometime.”

I would say the same to you. Read it sometime, ALL of it. Chapter 1 does have more than 27 verses, even though you are apparently fixed on verse 27.

Romans 1:19-32 is Paul’s proof of the total depravity of mankind. It is one passage, one thought, one condemnation, yet you are bound and determined to extract homosexuality from it, disregarding the rest. There is a progressive condemnation: They had no excuse for not knowing God (v.20); they changed the glory of an incorruptible God into an image (v.23); wherefore God gave them up to uncleanness (v.24), God gave them up unto vile affections (v.26), [and] God gave them over to a reprobate mind (v.28). There are 23 named sins in addition to homosexuality, and all are equally condemned, sins such as "covetousness, maliciousness, envy, strife, whisperers, backbiters, proud, boasters, inventers of evil things, disobedient to parents...unmerciful" (KJV).

In relation to just two of these named sins, I would remind you of a post you made on this board, in another thread not long ago. You boasted, proudly, that even though you didn’t have a seminary education, you had been called as the pastor of a “FIRST” Baptist church, implying, of course, that the church HAD to be large and prestigious to be a “FIRST” Baptist church, and that you must have a spirituality that superseded the need for theological education. I remember thinking when I read your words that we here in West Texas have a lot of “First” Baptist churches, too; churches in places like Buda, Voss, Wingate, and Bugtussle. Pastors I’ve known who were called to genuinely large and prestigious churches usually didn’t feel the need to boast about it. Could it be that Paul’s condemnation might fall on you alongside the homosexual?

I mention this only to remind you of something you really should know, we all sin, and we are all deserving of God’s condemnation. To write words like you have in this thread, maximizing the sin of the homosexual, while implicitly minimizing your own sins, is hypocrisy akin to that of the Pharisees (Luke 18:10-14).

I have read all of Romans 1. It sounds to me like your the one defending your own personal sin and attacking those who know that homosexuality is an abomination, a word only used for homosexuality. "There will be many who say Lord Lord but only those who do the will of the Father will enter in." Surely you are not deganerate enough to believe that the perversion of homosexuality is the will of the Father. Whatever you have to do or say to make yourself feel better, seems to be the doctrine you live by. Enjoy it while you can, it will come to an end. Sin is not subject to your opinion just as the truth is not subject to your opinion. Sin and truth are described in God's Word. I'll take His word over yours every time. Show me all the scriptures that praise homosexuality of an example life of a believer.

To Bobby McCord:

Though I’m not a lawyer, I know that in law school they teach that when you have the facts on your side, argue the facts; when you have the law on your side, argue the law; and when you have neither the facts or the law, attack the witness. Somewhere along the line, you’ve apparently learned this lesson well.

The Facts:

It should be patently obvious to anyone reading my post that I did NOT (and DO not) defend, justify, glorify, or excuse the sin of homosexuality. Patently obvious, that is, to anyone who is not seeking to hide and divert attention from his own sin, and who here brazenly adds violation of the Ninth Commandment to his own list of transgressions.

And, so you say, the word “abomination” is limited to homosexuality? Not only is that false, a cursory look at Scripture reveals that Christ himself (Luke 16:14-15) used that very word to describe the type of sin and deception I’ve shown you to have. It really doesn’t surprise me that you overlooked it.

As I said before, we ALL sin. I am a vile sinner, McCord; so are you, and so are all mankind, straight and homosexual. But for the grace of God I would be rotting in hell, and so would you! The difference between you and me, though, is that I freely admit my sin, while you refuse to. Do tabernacle with I John 1:8 sometime, and endeavor to add that word “grace” to your lexicon.

The Law:

You had nothing to say about my exegesis of Romans 1. There’s nothing radical or unorthodox about it; it’s in hundreds of commentaries by men of all theological stripes. It is Paul’s proof of the total depravity of mankind, of which homosexuality is but one element. Your problem may be that you apparently subscribe to the Fred Phelps school of theology that holds that homosexuality is the one and only sin the Scripture condemns.

You stand revealed as the proud, boastful, undereducated pastor of a small Southern Baptist church who’s trying to make a name for himself by railing against a sin that likely doesn’t directly affect you or your church, but is pleasing to the ears of your fellow fundamentalist travelers on a moderate Baptist website.

So…what do you do? You attack the witness. You put words in my mouth I never spoke; you put thoughts in my head, I never contemplated, and you tried to make me into a straw man to have someone to attack.

I grieve for you.

First of all Mr. McCord, I still need for you to contact the WHO (World Health Organization) to find out that HIV/AIDS started in the straight community of another country. And you will also find there (because Christ and Christianity sees no borders) that HIV/AIDS has ALWAYS been predominantly in the straight community in the "entire WORLD" as a whole . And then, if you are the true Christian that you say you are, you will recant your earlier comments blaming HIV/AIDS on homosexuals.
Secondly Mr McCord, you just can't help but fabricate things about others to make them look bad can you? You do not now me therefore you CANNOT say how I was brought up. Liberal teaching without regard to the Bible???? I think not. I was brought up by very strict German, Lutherans. And you say I am worried about being politically correct??? I am sooo against mixing religion with politics. That is the primary reason for most of the wars all around the world between countries as well as civil wars. You don't know me Mr McCord.
Fourthly Mr McCord, you want to talk about suicide rates? While Kinsey purports that approx 10% of the population is fully gay, the straight community wants everyone to believe it may be closer to 2%. Fine, lets go with your 2%. Sure seems a little low though. Wouldn't AIDS have killed us all of by now? How do we still have such great numbers to take over elections and city governments? How does that fit with the 90% of the child molesters that you say are all gay? Did you notice how we're already running out of Gays in trying to support your statistics? And I haven't even begun? What about all those gays who are ruining the military? And by the way how can a bunch of "Sissies" be so scary to such "tough" servicemen anyway? They're scared? And "Don't Ask Don't Tell is supposed to help? Wouldn't they WANT to know who to be scared of?? And let me state here and now to any and all who are reading this. "I categorically proclaim that every statistic that Mr McCord has given is absolutely and totally FABRICATED to suit his purpose. He has not researched a single one of these statistics. But he is welcome to research every statistic that I have mentioned. And his biggest ABSOLUTE lie that he is handing to you is that 90% of child molesters are homosexual. He was probably so shocked to read somewhere that it was just the opposite, that he assumed he mis-read it.
Percentages: Tell me sir did you know that over 30% of the teenagers who commit suicide are because they were Gay. Now tell me we CHOOSE to be Gay - if those 30% of teenage suicides thought they actually had a CHOICE, why would they kill themselves? Why did the rest of us fight being gay ourselves until we finally realized the truth. God made us all, he gave us our personalities, and most of us knew when we were VERY young. We just weren't old enough to know what IT was, and because people like you preach what people like you preach, it took us even longer to get through it, and get through it alive. Oh yes God made Adam and Eve, and some say he did NOT make Adam and Steve. How cute! Only problem is I don't know of anyone else around "In The Beginning" who was creating people. Hmm, I guess that means maybe God DID create Steve too???
Thirdly Mr McCord, DO NOT accuse me of being AFRAID to offend anyone in the world! I am not - or I would be a Gay man hiding as a straight man as your ilk would want. You, on the other hand are afraid of offending your own followers. But so it goes with so many ministers. You work for the congregation. They hired you. You tell them what they want to hear, and because of great prejudices perpetrated over time, they won't keep you around if you told them the truth. And you would be more likely to know that truth if you had formal training.
If you were to listen to FWN and his exegesis of ALL of Romans 1, and if you had formal training and knew the truth behind an exegesis of homosexuality in the Bible, particularly regarding Sodom, you would already know that the true sin of Sodom was that of "Inhospitality". And I think when someone of your ilk claims that the church is rightfully EXclusive, then you and your ilk are being MOST INHOSPITABLE!! And THAT makes YOU the sodomite sir, not I !! Christ, (AS YOU SHOULD WELL KNOW, AND SHOULD BE PREACHING) was the MOST hospitable. It is the very FOUNDATION of his Christianity. A solid foundation of which your ilk have beaten down into sand!!! And how DARE you do that? Jesus would have thrown you out of the Temple! You put yourself out there with your cocky, arrogant words all self-righteous, making you the epitome of the false prophets our Good Lord warned us against. (Continued in Part-2)

And don't start with me again about name calling. These "adjectives" including the word 'hypocrite' that myself as well as FWN used, are just factual descriptors.
So stop being afraid to offend your followers. Make sure they know that it doesn't matter whether someone is a fine upstanding citizen who is a Gay Christian with a loving, supporting partner of 20 years, raising a couple adopted kids no one else wanted, OR if they are a straight, 3 times married, large woman, with pierced ears who goes to church EVERY SUNDAY (meaning: on her PERIOD or not), that both are equally "INcluded" and neither are EXcluded. And believe you me kind sir, if you don't see that there are many more reasons given in Leviticus as to why this straight woman described here should NOT be allowed in the church, rather the Gay person, then you are TRULY guilty of selective reading of your scriptures. And that is proof to me that you are preaching what YOU want to preach, not what GOD HIMSELF wants you to preach.
And, if you actually even know what the word exegesis means, you will know that the verse in Leviticus about man not laying with man was NOT about homosexuality as you know it today.
While following the good books of the Old Testament was generally a good thing as they had good concepts, God Himself as you know saw fit to send Jesus in human form, because we were not getting it right when the Old Testament was written and then being followed to the letter!! Did you not know this?
And I, sir, can speak to God as well as you or anyone. You do not stand between me and God. I don't need YOUR "interpretations". You are insignificant. And I feel sad for you (and grieve for you as FWN does) on that Final Day, because you have indicated that you are already INcluded, and you already have the INside track, thus you will not even know what to confess or ask forgiveness for - because you are BLIND.
As for me - (ROMANS 8:37-39) "No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither life nor death, nor angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor ANYTHING else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Mr McCord……. YOU are not the One who sits in Judgment to tell ANYONE else if they are, or will be EXCLUDED. And as long as you use words to put people down, and continue to make up gross lies to fill their heads, then you will continue to lead your people across the sand. I choose to stand on solid rock that Jesus built, and will have nothing to do with the sandy foundations you create.
The other foundation of Christianity is Forgiveness (And yes this is ME preaching to YOU). And I do forgive you because I know it is Satan working in your heart, and not your own doing. But my forgiveness does not absolve you, it merely clears the path between me and my Lord. As for your forgiveness, the Lord says for me to turn it over to him, and he will heap coals upon the heads of those who have done wrong.
So Merry Christmas to you Bobby – no strings attached!!

Getting back to the article at hand about Rick Warren: I commend Rick Warren for his decision to finally step forward. Although I question the motives as being selfish. Your level of concern was admittedly only raised when it became apparent that your lack of discourse pointed towards condoning the Ugandan Laws. Not unlike the actions of American Presidents of the 80's who would never even speak the term "AIDS", much less lend any support to research and eradication. That is - until it began to affect more NON-homosexuals. And your comments about the fact that you "...vigorously condemn" the Ugandan law is not borne out by your actions to "not interfere" in the politics of another country. Look up the word "CONTRADICTION" in the dictionary Rick, and you find will what I just quoted you saying as the very epitome of defining that word. I am happy that you have seen the light though, through Christ - for Christ is the Light of the WORLD. Not just within our manmade boundaries.

"The church in America had better wake up or the laws that are being passed right now will soon cause the Bible believeing and preaching churches to close their doors because of lawsuits brought by perverts." Only those churches spewing such hateful talk that their members categorize anyone who disagrees with them as perverts deserving of death. Christ Himself would want such a church closed.

Believe it or not God's Word is clear. and if you don't believe the chief cause for the spread of aids is homosexuality you are living in a liberal dream world. If All your excuses, attacks, and explanations allow you to continue to support and live life styles that are in rebellion to God and everything He teaches in His Word and still call yourself a Christian, I am the one who grieves for you.

"and if you don't believe the chief cause for the spread of aids is homosexuality you are living in a liberal dream world." You are ignorant of the facts. In Africa AIDS has from its inception spread primarily as a heterosexual disease. "Reality has a well known liberal bias."

When and where do I show up to the prison where tyrannical theocRATs will be aresting all us sinners and killing us for these sins from a bible written by people who believed the sun revolved around the flat earth, that slavery was approved by Jesus, that women and child could be beaten by men, and who killed anyone and everyone they did not approve of, agree with, accept, respect, understand or tolerate in Jesus' name?