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By George Guthrie   
Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Editor's note: The recent series of articles by David Gushee on homosexuality generated an unusual amount of response. ABP solicited these two representative responses -- from Peggy Campolo , an advocate for gay Christians, and George Guthrie, a professor at Union University.

George Guthrie

(ABP) -- There exists a fundamentalism on the theological left, as well as the more broadly published fundamentalism on the theological right. Both fundamentalisms communicate, “You must agree with my position and my applications or I will vilify you.” These strident cousins eschew dialogue as compromise and often take an approach that shouts, “If I can label you, I have dealt with you; and if I can label the information you present (e.g., “this is just garbage”), I have dealt with your research and ideas.”  In his ABP article, “The path to discernment on homosexuality,” David Gushee invites us to move beyond the shrill extremes and join him around the table of conversation. He wants us to consider a renewed emphasis on hermeneutics and theology as we reflect together on the important issue of homosexual couples and the church. I am thankful for the opportunity to join the conversation, for I could not agree more that we must raise the level of theological and hermeneutical reflection in Baptist life.  

Therefore, let me begin by making sure I have heard those sitting across the table from me correctly. Those who wish to rewrite the church’s traditional teaching on the practice of homosexuality seem to build their arguments on at least three primary foundation stones: 1) Homosexuality is constitutional, intrinsic to who the homosexual is as a person and, therefore, compassion demands that we affirm the homosexual in his or her sexuality; 2) Scripture does not address a “covenanted monogamy” form of homosexuality and, therefore, does not condemn such homosexual relationships; and 3) homosexual couples who practice “covenanted monogamy” should be affirmed in their relationship and welcomed as members in good standing in the church.

Of course, there are other arguments offered, but let’s begin here and probe the hermeneutical underpinnings of these points.

First, constitutionality. Let’s begin by agreeing that many homosexuals experience their sexual desires for the same sex as “inherent” to who they are.  Some certainly would say “I have always felt this way.” Yet, the science on the biological constitutionality of homosexuality (i.e. the “nature vs. nurture” question) is still in process. I am aware, of course, of the pertinent studies, such as the one by Dr. Simon LeVay, but prominent scientists disagree on how the data should be read (Indeed, LeVay himself is modest concerning the significance of his findings).  

Yet, even if biology someday was shown clearly to be a primary factor in homosexuality, I want to suggest that constitutionality cannot serve as an appropriate basis for making a hermeneutical move to accepting homosexual practice. Why? Because there are other aspects of our existence that we experience “constitutionally” that nevertheless cannot be used as a basis to affirm behavior in line with that constitution. For instance, according to Scripture, we as human beings are sinners (e.g. Romans 7:18-21). Yet, of course, that cannot be used as a basis for affirming sin. In my experience of ministry, I have had womanizing men state, “This is just the way I am.” Indeed, do those of us who are heterosexuals not at times experience the sexual tug, that jibbering monkey in our loins, which attempts to draw us to sexual expression outside of our marriages? I experience the sex drive as inherent to who I am; it is constitutional. Yet, it cannot be used to excuse acting on that impulse.

I am also concerned that there exists a short step from affirming homosexuality on the basis of one’s constitution, to affirming other forms of sexual expression, such as pedophilia, on the same basis. Some of our homosexual friends would abhor the idea, but we are talking about constitutionality as a basis for making ethical decisions, and there are those in the global, heterosexual and homosexual communities who already put pedophilia forward on the basis of it being “natural.” My point is not that all homosexuals are pedophiles, but that constitutionality forms a terribly poor basis for promoting an ethical stance on homosexuality.

Second, what of the argument on the grounds of covenanted monogamy? I know of no hard data on the practices of homosexual couples who claim to be Christians (and am open to being informed on the matter). It seems clear (in works such as The Male Couple), however, that homosexual men in general experience an astronomically high rate of infidelity compared to heterosexuals, with strikingly low rates of monogamy or even semi-monogamy.  

I am sure there are homosexual couples that are faithful to one another, but, again, even if covenant monogamy was widely practiced among homosexuals, is a commitment to monogamy an appropriate basis for affirming a homosexual relationship? If so, why would it not be appropriate to use the same principle of “covenant monogamy” to affirm incest, for instance?  Most ancient references to incest, whether Greco-Roman or Egyptian, focus on relationships between consenting adults, whether brother and sister or parent and grown child. Again, my point is not that homosexuality leads to incest, but that a commitment to “covenant monogamy” makes a poor basis for a hermeneutical move to affirm homosexual practice.

This then brings us to the question of Scripture and its interpretation. If our discussion is to be considered “Christian,” it must come down to a consideration of what God has revealed as true in his Word. There is no true compassion apart from revelation. Thus, we need to embrace a rigorous “Berean” hermeneutic that is coherent in terms of the broad scope of biblical theology (e.g. God’s mercy, God’s wrath, the human condition, human sexuality, redemption) and compassionate in its application of truth to real-life contexts of homosexuals in the modern world.

That said, it seems to me the attempts to affirm homosexual relationships with Bible in hand fall primarily into two categories. Arguments in the first go something like this: “The Scripture does not condemn monogamous, covenanted, homosexual relationships but rather other forms of homosexuality,” and “Jesus never condemned homosexuality but welcomed the outcast.” Both are arguments from silence. Monogamous, covenanted, homosexual relationships are not condemned in Scripture, because they were unknown (indeed, unthinkable) in Jewish or Christian contexts of the ancient world. It is true that in the Gospels Jesus doesn’t say anything about homosexuality. (Remember, though, that he does strongly affirm marriage as a creation ordinance involving a man and woman -- Matthew 19:4-6). But neither does Jesus address directly other forms of sexuality, such as incest, beastiality, pedophilia or sadomasochism. Arguments from silence weave a terribly thin hermeneutical thread from which to hang one’s theological behemoth.  

The other approach to hermeneutics involves a reframing of what the Scripture does say about homosexuality. For instance, it is suggested, that Genesis 19 really concerns the lack of hospitality on the part of the men of Sodom. Or Romans 1:24-27 is about idolatry and participating in homosexual orgies, not the practice of responsible homosexual relationships. Yet, I would humbly suggest, the convergence of word meanings, background information, literary context and other factors stand against these interpretations. For instance, in Romans 1:26-27, Paul lays great stress on the “abandoning” of or “exchanging” natural sexuality (between a man and a woman) for sex with a person of one’s own gender.  This is the central point in those verses. The creation ordinance of God has been abandoned.  

As for context, two verses later in Romans 1:29, the apostle speaks of greed, murder, strife, deceit, gossip and disobedience to parents, among other vices.  That catalogue plays a role in communicating the pervasive sinfulness of humanity, not merely the sinfulness of specifically idolatrous or orgiastic contexts. Homosexual practice, according to Romans 1, is part of a larger problem of human sinfulness, the rejection of God’s intentions for the world.

I am sure to be accused of lacking compassion for those embracing a homosexual lifestyle, and that grieves me. Yet, is it a rightly applied compassion that affirms a lifestyle that too often compromises the physical and emotional well being of fellow human beings? The data seems to indicate that homosexual practice for both couples and individuals leads to a greatly reduced life expectancy (as much as three decades, and not just due to AIDS). Among homosexual men, for instance, there exists a much higher risk of rectal cancer and rectal trauma (which causes a much higher risk of a wide range of diseases).  Is it compassionate to affirm such a lifestyle?

In conclusion, I agree that churches too often have neglected important ministry to those struggling with homosexuality. Yet, what is needed is not to rethink the church’s stance on homosexuality, as Dr. Gushee suggests, but to rethink our response to homosexuals themselves. For some this will mean dropping a harsh posture, getting the facts on the challenges faced by those in the homosexual community, and opening our hearts of compassion. For others it will mean a renewed commitment to the whole counsel of God on human sexuality

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George Guthrie is the Benjamin W. Perry Professor of Bible at Union University www.uu.edu/personal/gguthrie

 

Read more:

The path to discernment on homosexuality (7/16)

On homosexuality, whose narrative do we believe? (5/1)

On homosexuality, can we at least talk about it? (3/27)

 

 





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Guthrie Speaks out for Doctrine, I speak for my LIFE!
written by Steve Leong, August 13, 2008
I don't think many present day people who call themselves Christian have ever put themselves into the shoes of a Gay person. Imagine being born different. Living your life in fear and denial, then having the very ones you love and trust the most, tell you that you are evil, and doomed to Hell. No wonder these products of Christian parents throw themselves into reckless sex, so they can hopefully die of aids, and not suffer the pain of their parent’s rejection. Sadly, the very people who should have been bringing them closer, push them further away from Jesus, closer! What could have resulted in a loving relationship with Christ, turns instead into tragedy.

The questions I suggest Christians ask, is "why did God create gays?” It is surprising to see what one discovers, if they lower their pride, and let the Holy Spirit answer. I discovered Jesus on my own 20 years ago when I was 36 years old. Prior to that I hated myself for being Gay, turning to drugs and alcohol. Then in 1988, I accepted myself as the Gay man God made me, and my life turned. Now I am in a wonderful loving relationship, and my life is showered with “blessings” constantly.

I suggest Mr. Guthrie lowers his intellectually, doctrine molded, ego, and use his heart. After all, it is where God put all the laws of man in the last covenant. He will undoubtedly someday have Gay Grandchildren, GG Grandchildren, GGG Grandchildren...and what hope is he leaving them? What one sows, so shall they reap! Sowing hurtful discrimination and dismay, will bring that not only to yourself, but also your children. There is no room for crucifying people born differently from yourself in a world crying out for solutions to poverty, hunger, disease, abuse, and killing. If we have FAITH in God creating us all different for a good reason, and all work together to heal these worldly problems, there is still hope for True Christianity!

Thank you Peggy Campolo for your follow up article bringing this subject of “Gay Christians” which has been an oxymoron for too long, to the Christian community. Steven Leong Aiea, Hawaii
Appropriate words
written by Adam Winters, August 17, 2008
I would like to offer my public appreciation of Dr. Guthrie's biblical response in light of Dr. Gushee's recent article. Dr. Guthrie maintains both a respect for his peer and articulates his conviction with convincing clarity.

This debate over homosexuality in the church has reached its rubicon. Will we accomodate a compromise of the Scripture under the guise of compassion and relevancy? Or will we hold firm to Divine revelation, condemning sin yet simultaneously seeking to love God's lost image-bearers as Christ loved us? The answers proposed by Guthrie and Gushee represent the two paths from which we must now choose. I encourage all friends of Scripture to heed the wisdom of Dr. Guthrie.
'Wisdom' is not a word I'd use for Dr. Guthrie, Adam.
written by Matt, August 18, 2008
The data seems to indicate that homosexual practice for both couples and individuals leads to a greatly reduced life expectancy (as much as three decades, and not just due to AIDS). Among homosexual men, for instance, there exists a much higher risk of rectal cancer and rectal trauma (which causes a much higher risk of a wide range of diseases).

I call shenanigans. Please back up your outrageous claims, as any reasonable PhD should know without my reminding him.

Sincerely,
One of The Gay Christians who doesn't struggle with his homosexuality in the least but who does take offense to your lumping him in with child molesters.


P.S. I'm fairly certain that your article violates this site's terms and conditions (§3.1).
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written by andrew, August 19, 2008

Sincerely,
One of The Gay Christians who doesn't struggle with his homosexuality in the least but who does take offense to your lumping him in with child molesters.


Matt,

Dr. Guthrie didn't lump you in with child molesters. I respectfully challenge you to try reading his piece with more Christian charity and discernment. You may still strongly disagree with him, but you shouldn't misrepresent what he said, however unintentionally. This was what Dr. Guthrie actually said:

"...I want to suggest that constitutionality cannot serve as an appropriate basis for making a hermeneutical move to accepting homosexual practice. Why? Because there are other aspects of our existence that we experience “constitutionally” that nevertheless cannot be used as a basis to affirm behavior in line with that constitution...I am also concerned that there exists a short step from affirming homosexuality on the basis of one’s constitution, to affirming other forms of sexual expression, such as pedophilia, on the same basis. Some of our homosexual friends would abhor the idea, but we are talking about constitutionality as a basis for making ethical decisions, and there are those in the global, heterosexual and homosexual communities who already put pedophilia forward on the basis of it being “natural.” My point is not that all homosexuals are pedophiles, but that constitutionality forms a terribly poor basis for promoting an ethical stance on homosexuality."

Again, you say that Dr. Guthrie's piece violates 3.1 of this site's terms and conditions. I don't understand this accusation; Dr. Guthrie was not insulting or defamatory in any of his remarks, but preserved a consistent tone of Christian charity throughout all of his arguments.

Respectfully,
Andrew
In response to Andrew
written by Matt, August 19, 2008
Sorry Andrew, he played the same trick as anti-Catholic commentators who want people to think all Catholic priests are child molesters. He put them next to each other and call them comparatively close. A "short step" in Dr. Guthrie's words. It's nice that he gently pulled it back later, but the intended damage is already done.

This is not Christian charity, it's an attempt to tar a group of people who make him uncomfortable. It's putting on his church face and wowing the audience with four syllable words while he condemns people based on misrepresented and faulty research, faulty logic, and soothing words to let people know they're allowed to hate, or at the very least pity, that group over there that's different than them.

It's shameful and it's got to stop.

(Still waiting for documentation on the health claims.)
"a short step"
written by andrew, August 19, 2008
Matt,

I appreciate your response. I just want to point out (in an irenic spirit, of course) that you're still misreading what Dr. Guthrie actually said.

Your comment:

He put them next to each other and call them comparatively close. A "short step" in Dr. Guthrie's words. It's nice that he gently pulled it back later, but the intended damage is already done.

There is nothing here that Dr. Guthrie "pulled back" at all, or needed to pull back; he is making an argument from analogy, not an insult. Again, this is what Dr. Guthrie actually said:

there are other aspects of our existence that we experience “constitutionally” that nevertheless cannot be used as a basis to affirm behavior in line with that constitution...I am also concerned that there exists a short step from affirming homosexuality on the basis of one’s constitution, to affirming other forms of sexual expression, such as pedophilia, on the same basis.

His argument here is clear: We should not use innate human impulse to justify an action, since this argument justifies way too much--it can be used to justify pedophilia, etc.

Like you, I also wish that he had documented some of his medical claims; maybe there is some data to be looked at here, but I have not studied this issue, so I don't know.

Andrew
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written by Mark Osgatharp, September 12, 2008
Mr. Guthrie said,

"There exists a fundamentalism on the theological left, as well as the more broadly published fundamentalism on the theological right. Both fundamentalisms communicate, 'You must agree with my position and my applications or I will vilify you.'"

God's Holy Book everywhere vilifies those who practice sin impenitently and especially vilifies those who teach sin as a doctrine and encourage the practice of it. Ms. Campolo and and Mr. Gushee, in condoning sodomy and asking other Christians to do so, are moral reprobates themselves, having denied the word of God and taught God's people to embrace wickedness.

People like Mr. Guthrie, while attempting to sound broad, intellectual and academic, just add to the problem by compromising and trifling with God' word and, himself, vilifying those who take and uncompromising and dogmatic stand on the word of God.

He is a good example of why Baptist people ought not send their children to the cesspools of iniquity - I mean the so called Christian universities - that have for decades facilitated the spread of compromise, heresy, agnosticism, and outright immorality among Baptist people.

Mark Osgatharp
Wynne, Arkansas
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written by Blake, September 28, 2008
It is possible to make a strong yet compassionate case from the Bible that God does not approve sexual relationships among members of the same sex. Whether or not this case will be convincing is another matter, but it can certainly be made. As a biblical scholar, Professor Guthrie is well qualified to make this case, but surprisingly he doesn't. He only devotes two paragraphs to the discussion of biblical texts, and it's a very general discussion at that.

In the place of careful biblical interpretation, Professor Guthrie offers poor philosophical and sociological arguments. His stated fear that affirming homosexual relationships may lead to affirming incest and pedophilia is an example of a "slippery slope" argument, a very common philosophical and rhetorical fallacy. His sociological arguments are even more troubling. Despite admitting that he isn't aware of hard evidence for the matter, he claims that there is an "astronomically high rate of infidelity compared to heterosexuals," with reference only to a single book that's over 25 year-old--then he claims that the whole question is a non-sequitur to his argument. If it's not important for then argument, then why even bring the issue up? Can he simply not let an opportunity pass by to portray homosexual men in the most negative manner possible, even when it adds nothing to his argument? On another matter, the claim that homosexual men have significantly shorter lifespans than heterosexual men comes from the work of Paul Cameron, a psychologist whose work has been widely discredited.

By engaging in these kinds of arguments, Professor Guthrie unfortunately puts himself among the ranks of the fundamentalists of the theological right, whose approach he decries in the opening paragraph of the column. He has guaranteed that he will, as he fears, "be accused of lacking compassion for those embracing a homosexual lifestyle"--not because he speaks out against the church's affirmation of homosexual relationships, but because he unnecessarily and gratuitously perpetuates negative stereotypes about homosexuals that are at best questionable and at worst patently untrue.

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