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Freeman: For women, proper question not 'ordination,' but 'calling' Print E-mail
By Steve DeVane   
Thursday, March 12, 2009

MOUNT OLIVE, N.C. (ABP) -- Asking whether women should be ordained to the ministry is the wrong question, according to Baptist professor Curtis Freeman.

“The question is, ‘Who is being gifted in the church?’” said Freeman, research professor of theology and director of the Baptist House of Studies at Duke Divinity School. “Where are those gifts being displayed?”

Freeman was guest lecturer for the Vivian B. Harrison Memorial Lecture at Mount Olive College in Mount Olive, N.C., March 10. His lecture focused on women's voices in the church. He also preached during the Free Will Baptist school’s chapel service that day.

Freeman said ordination doesn’t give one the gift of preaching. Ordination is instead the church recognizing that gift, he said.

“The point is, the church doesn’t really call people into ministry,” he said. Instead, “We help people discern God’s call on their life.”

Curtis Freeman converses following his lecture on women in ministry March 10 at Mount Olive College in North Carolina. (PHOTO/Steve DeVane)

The lectures included an overview of four 17th-century Baptist women who wrote about their experiences. They were among nine Baptists and about 300 total prophetesses in England between 1640 and 1660, Freeman said.

The four Baptist women wrote at least 748 pages of material -- much of it in pamphlets, which were cheaply reproduced and available to a wide audience.

“The pamphlet was like the 17th-century Internet,” Freeman said.

Historical records indicate that the women influenced early English General and Particular Baptists, according to Freeman.

“Through their writings they surely attained an even wider audience,” he said. “Yet there was also a tension between the prophetic voices of these women, the gathered churches and the wider society that eventually refused to swallow their prophetic pill.”

Freeman said that revolutionary forces in England at the time had destabilized governmental power and other forces that “long had kept women in their place.”

“The social spaces that opened up enabled women not just to think freely but to speak their minds freely,” he said. “Yet, as the Baptist movement became organized and institutionalized, many of the more egalitarian expressions of the early days dissipated."

These and other women who spoke out were on the fringes of the early Baptist churches, Freeman said.

“Maybe these women standing on the edge see something those of us at the center of the church can’t see,” he said.

Freeman said women have found a space to share their voices during other periods of social upheaval, such as the American Revolution, the settling of the Western frontier and the social upheaval of the 1960s and '70s. He asked if churches could find a way to create such a space without waiting for the wider culture to create it.

Freeman used the story of the first woman ordained by a Southern Baptist church to suggest three essential elements of discernment used by the church. Addie Davis was ordained by Watts Street Baptist Church in Durham, N.C. on Aug. 9, 1964.

The church was “committed to the practice of calling out the called,” Freeman said. Such a call includes both inward discernment and outward confirmation, he said.

“It’s not about women in ministry,” he said. “It’s first about this principle of calling.”

The second conviction of the Watts Street church was what Freeman called “openness to more light from the word.” For many the issue of women in ministry is settled, one way or the other. But others remain searching and open.

“It’s a sense that our understanding is growing,” he said.

Freeman said Watts Street was also committed to stand together with others under the rule of Christ. An ordination council from the local association examined Davis.

“Because a local congregation stands under the immediate rule of Christ, it has the power to call its own ministers, celebrate the sacraments of baptism and the Lord’s Supper, and administer the keys of church discipline,” he said. “Yet no congregation is independent. It is interdependent with those who ‘walk by the same rule.’”

Freeman said this is a “hard word,” since all Baptists don’t agree.

“Sometimes I’d like it to be me and Jesus, but in the end I don’t think that’s the way it is,” he said.

The challenge of standing together will take patience and humility, Freeman said.

“It is the vector of the Baptist vision that suggests that we find our way together,” he said. “Ultimately, it is not a matter of gender or ordination, but of spiritual discernment.”

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Steve DeVane is managing editor of the North Carolina Baptist Biblical Recorder.





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written by tj282828, March 13, 2009
I find Dr. Freeman's thoughts "“It’s not about women in ministry,” he said. “It’s first about this principle of calling.”" to be anti-intellectual. Is this what has become of Baptist studies at Duke? Doctrine does not matter, but rather some inner, subjective voice will guide every Baptist individual and church? This is not the Baptist heritage I know and love. Baptist throughout their history have always used the word of God to guide them. Each side, left or right, has always committed itself to showing why the Bible supports their position. I find it disturbing that Dr. Freeman now suggest Baptist discard their Bibles and base the core of their personal calling upon subjective feelings. I have heard many a madman justify their insanity by using such arguments. Baptist have a better way, and by following our heritage we have escaped much foolishness.
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written by trheelmn1, March 13, 2009
Bravo Dr. Freeman for taking a relational approach instead of a religious one. You'll find those who disagree to be of a Pharisaical nature or condescending attitude. Jesus rebuked those who were more concerned about the letter of the word than the spirit of the word. Our responsibility in this life is to have practical relationships with one another which includes the Savior himself. Our attitude toward women as clergy will reflect either the Savior's or the religious crowd. I'm with the Savior on this one. Dr. Freeman's approach is so refreshing. Thanks for your cultural and religious boldness in the face of artificial intelligence.
This all sounds familiar...
written by Ken, March 14, 2009
Back in the eighties, the Southern Baptist Convention was having a highly-publicized debate on the ordination of women. I remember reading one letter to the editor of a Memphis paper which absolutely blasted those who oppose the practice. The writer said that Jesus was never bound by cultural tradtion, and then said, "If Jesus were on earth today, at least six of His twelve apostles would be women."

This raises an interesting question: why didn't Jesus have any women among His apostles when He was on earth the first time? It certainly wasn't because He of "cultural restrictions", or because He was afraid of offending anyone. Why did He choose only men?

Could it be that Jesus WANTED it that way? Is it possible that He was choosing these apostles as the leaders of the early church, and specifically WANTED men to fulfill that role?

Dr. Freeman seems to be giving us the usual liberal line: "Go with your feelings and never mind what the Bible says." Only a revisionist would say that such thinking represents "historic Baptist beliefs."

By the way, Dr. Freeman seems to think that the early Baptists supported the ordination of women. I have heard that argument before, but I've never seen any documentation to support it. I would be interested in hearing Dr. Freeman's evidence for his argument.

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written by Curtis Freeman, March 14, 2009
For the evidence, and there is significant evidence of what I call "prophetic women," from the earliest days in Baptist life, you'll have to wait for the article to come out. Steve DeVane give a fair description of some of the conclusions, but I offer significant historical evidence which he could not have been expected to summarize in a news article.

The idea that all Baptists have always held to the current "women be silent" interpretation by conservatives in the SBC is simply historical revisionism that can't hold up to serious evaluation. Baptist history simply isn't as homogeneous as the conservative revisionism would portray it. Among the separate Baptists, women were allowed to pray and exhort. Their "exercise" is often hard to distinguish from "preaching."

For the term "experience" readers need to stop and ask a few historically informed questions. What did radical Puritans (including Baptists) in the 17th century mean by "experience"? Do not read it in the modern psychological sense informed by William James. For them "experience" was the "experience of grace." These were irruptions of the Holy Spirit offering signs of regeneration. It was quite common in the 17th-19th century for a Baptist church to ask a potential member to offer and account of their "experience" before joining. What they were not asking was "tell me how you feel." They were looking for some sign that God was at work in the soul. Preachers and other exhorters (many of whom were women), often busied themselves "hearing" the "experience" of those in the process of conversion.

Finally, the scheme of "inward" and "outward" call which Baptists (Calvinists and Arminians alike) adopted comes right out of Calvin's Institutes. Hardly "liberal" or "postmodern."
Dr. Freeman
written by Ken, March 14, 2009
As I said, I would be interested in seeing your documentation for this "evidence." Even if your claims are correct, the existence of "prophetic women" hardly proves that early Baptists supported the ordination of women.

Thus far you have offered no evidence; just the usual attacks against the SBC.
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written by Curtis Freeman, March 14, 2009
Ken: Thanks for the interest, but read again carefully. There is no claim that these 17th century women were "ordained." Or even that in the 18th century they were ordained. What I call attention to is the diversity of practice that is lost on most modern Baptists. Indeed, I also show that this question of "ordination" is a side issue. Baptists never needed "ordained" ministers for the church to be the church. The claim that such is the case is one made by the Catholic Church. But this is a major difference in Baptist and Catholic ecclesiology. To the extent that Baptists have a place for ordination of ministers, it is only as a sub category of the priesthood of ALL believers. No intent on my part to attack the SBC. I just want honesty and historical accuracy, not revisionism made up whole cloth. You'll get the article in due time, if you read scholarly journals.
Dr. Freeman
written by Ken, March 14, 2009
Perhaps I should have been a bit more specific, so allow me to re-phrase my previous statement: The existence of a few "prophetic women" hardly proves that early Baptists supported the idea of women serving as pastors.

I will be looking for your article, and will try to give it a fair evaluation. I certainly respect honesty and accuracy, but I have seen very little of either among CBF-related historians, and that is why I remain skeptical.

As for Southern Baptists, I think it's only fair to point out that their opposition to the ordination of women is based not on history or tradtion, but on Scripture.

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