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By Miguel De La Torre   
Wednesday, March 18, 2009

(ABP) -- Yes, I am a heretic -- but then, I’m getting ahead of myself.

As some of you might remember, I recently wrote what turned out to be the most controversial column in the history of Associated Baptist Press. It was based on one of the most difficult passages in the New Testament -- the Gospel story of Jesus calling a woman from another culture a “dog.”

Yes, I know that Jesus and the Canaanite woman both probably had the same skin pigmentation. I used the modern label “woman of color” to describe the woman because the Jews of that time thought of themselves as superior to the Canaanites, much the same way some in the dominant culture look down at people of color in today’s society.

Not only did it inspire what turned out to be -- by far -- the longest comment thread ever on ABP’s site, but it also inspired quite a bit of conversation in the Baptist blogosphere. While, as an educator, there are few things I desire to do more than generate conversation, much of it, in this case, was bombastic.

I was accused, in the story’s comment section alone, of “reprehensible” theology, of spouting “theologically dishonest trash,” of "dragging Jesus Christ into the gutter” and of being “a thorough-going pagan who has no relationship with Jesus.” And that was just in the first six of 45 comments!

It was as if I was being called a “dog” (sorry – I couldn’t resist the irony).

As I read everything people said about me, I did agree with one accusation I saw repeated several times: that I am a heretic. I am a heretic because I read Scripture for what it says, not what I want it to say. (Never thought being literal would get me into trouble with conservatives and fundamentalists -- go figure.) Scripture states, plainly, that Jesus called this woman a “dog.”

Now, to be sure, mine was a “non-traditional” interpretation of this passage. Traditionally -- or, at least, in the 30 or 40 years since white American evangelicals have come to the consensus that racial and ethnic prejudice is sinful -- evangelicals have dispatched with the passage by saying Jesus was simply being sarcastic in calling the Canaanite woman a “dog.”

I acknowledge that this is certainly a legitimate way to approach the text. But I don’t think the way I approached the text is any less legitimate, nor does my approach take the text less seriously than the “traditional” interpretation. No matter how much we try to explain the passage away, a plain reading of it remains problematic.

And, if you actually read the column carefully, you’ll notice I never said Jesus was a racist or a sinner. I simply raised the question. But at the very least, he was tempted, as he was in the desert and as he was in Gethsemane.

Many also thought I was being heretical by implying that Jesus learned something from the Canaanite woman’s persistence in demanding aid from him. But do the Gospels themselves not tell us that the fully human Jesus, as he grew into his divinity, “increased in wisdom and stature and favor with God” (Luke 2:52)?

We Christian heretics struggle with Scripture and, if need be, reject passages that are in contradiction to the Gospel message. These are passages like the ones about smashing babies’ heads against rocks (Ps. 137:9); today we call that “crimes against humanity.” Or the ones with instructions on how to set up a harem (Lev. 18:18); my wife won’t let me be that biblical. Or even the ones ordering God’s people to put disrespectful teenagers to death (Lev. 20:9), although, as the father of two teenagers, I am often tempted to take this passage literally. Note: I’m using humor here.

So what do we do with biblical passages that seem to run counter to the Gospel message of salvation and liberation? We do what Jesus did.

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus reinterprets the Hebrew Scriptures to bring them in line with the Gospel message, clearly telling his followers to reject those passages that bring subjugation or death to others. Specifically, Jesus said in Matthew: “You heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist evil, but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other" (Matt. 5:38-39). According to Jesus, the biblical mandate of Exodus 21:24, which literally calls for “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,” had to be rejected by his followers. In short, Jesus is calling his disciples to renounce a segment of Scripture (a-HA! – this might help me deal with the book of Joshua).

We Christian heretics are those who are thrown to the lions because we refuse to place God and Caesar on the same level. The early martyrs of the faith were persecuted for being "atheists" who refused to believe in Caesar’s religion. They recognized that they couldn’t serve both God and mammon, for they would end up loving one and hating the other.

Likewise, today’s Christian heretics prophesy against a Christianity that fails to challenge our privileged position, but rather justifies the American empire. (So how close is the American flag to the altar in your church?)

We Christian heretics believe the Word of God is inerrant; however, we believe the interpretations given by humans to God’s Word are not. Whether they are conservative or liberal, American or liberationist, all interpretations fall short of the glory of God. And if you come across anyone who has Scripture or God all figured out, I suggest that you hold your wallet and soul tightly -- for you are at risk of losing one, if not both.

Just as the religious leaders of Jesus’ time crucified him on the charge of blasphemy (Matt. 26:65), so would today’s Pharisees crucify him again if given an opportunity. Why? Because they would not recognize him among the dogs he hangs out with, nor would he them (Matt. 7:21-23).

So, yes, I am unapologetically a Christian heretic.

Although I am no Christ, I follow his footsteps with all my heart and mind, using his own form of heresy as my model. Maybe this is how we discover our salvation, through a heresy that refuses to fuse and confuse the interpretations of the American empire with the Word of God.

Now you have to forgive me -- for I am, after all, an ordained Southern Baptist preacher who received his Southern Baptist Theological Seminary diploma from the hands of Bro. Al Mohler himself -- but altar calls are automatic with me. I know most of us have given our hearts to Jesus; now I ask if we are willing to walk down the aisle and give our minds to Jesus. This means that we are willing to read, to question, to wrestle, to struggle, and even to confess we don’t have all the answers (and maybe not even some of the answers).

The good news is that Jesus is not afraid of our honest inquiry. He is also patient when we get it wrong (and we all do). The real question here today is if you are willing to be the sister or brother in Christ of a heretic dog like me?

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-- Miguel De La Torre is associate professor of social ethics at the Iliff School of Theology in Denver.

Related ABP articles:

Opinion: Was Jesus a racist? (3/23/2009)





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If Jesus was a racist...
written by Ken, March 18, 2009
If Jesus is just a sinful racist, how can you be sure He's "not afraid of honest inquiry"?
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written by Daniel, March 18, 2009
"The real question here today is if you are willing to be the sister or brother in Christ of a heretic dog like me?"

This is not my decision. Whether or not you are my Christian brother depends on whether we are both united with the same Christ through the same faith. After having read this and several other of your articles, I am sad to say that I don't know whether or not we are brothers in Christ. I think eternity might be at stake here, not just hermeneutics.
just a thought...
written by Rachel, March 18, 2009
funny how the Canaanite woman didn't argue the fact that she'd been called a dog. it takes that kind of humility, and a willingness to be seen as "the scum of the earth" (1 Cor. 4:13), to be a follower of Christ.
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written by tj282828, March 18, 2009
I do not believe the passage is that hard to understand. Jesus calls the Canaanite woman a dog because she is a scavenger. Ancient dogs roamed around taking sheep, food, and other things that were not theirs. Talk to an older person who lived in the country and they will attest to this truth concerning stray dogs. The woman was not a Jew or even a follower of God, she, as a lost woman, simply wanted a miracle from our Lord At first, Christ was not willing to give a mighty miracle to her because she had no connection with God, but as she persisted faith was produced and shown. Upon a demonstration of faith, Christ performed a miracle to draw the woman to salvation and greater faith.

Your efforts to make the word heretic into a heroic term is rather humorous, and a bit silly. If there is one God then there is Truth. . . and Truth is what God says it is. Those who adhere to the Truth will be great in the Kingdom of God, those who do not will belittle themselves in the eyes of God. The word of God does not advocate being a heretic, but rather boldly standing for the truth. I suggest you aim higher than being a heretic, even with the redefinition you give the word.
Is he kidding?
written by Ken, March 19, 2009
The writer says: "In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus reinterprets the Hebrew Scriptures to bring them in line with the Gospel message, clearly telling his followers to reject those passages that bring subjugation or death to others."

HUH??? I think the writer would be advised to take a refresher course in hermeneutics. Jesus did not "reinterpret" the law. He simply spoke against the way the Pharisees and others were twisting the law to suit their own purposes. For instance, many rabbis taught that the "eye for any eye..." passage meant you were justified in avenging even the most trivial wrongs. However, that's not what the law said. Rabbis were citing that passage out of context.

Jesus also spoke of the teaching that said, "Love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." However, the law of Moses said no such thing. It commanded people to love their neighbors, but never did it command them to hate their enemies. That part was added on by rabbis.

The writer says, "Jesus is not afraid of honest inquiry." Maybe not, but I think He has a low opinion of dishonest conclusions. He completely ignored Matthew 5:17, where Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
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written by Broadman, March 19, 2009
Wow, a comment thread of 45! Must have crashed the network. ABP gets readership only when they push the heterodox. Pitiful.
rationalization
written by Dr. J, March 19, 2009
Its tough to rationalize outright heresy. This article serves no purpose but to substantiate the writer's heretical beliefs regarding the perfect Lord. Plus it is an insult to doctrinal sound Americans. Our Christian doctrine is based in the Scripture not in our national citizenship. We do not use our doctrinal sound christianity to "justify the American empire."- truly a disgusting statement. Thank goodness there are few students who attend Iliff. No way would I want my offspring or friend's offspring to listen to this guy.
LIberal drivel
written by Slick, March 19, 2009
I'm far to the left of the SBC popes and bishops in Louisville and Ft Worth and I'm also someting of a heretic in that I, too, try to understand what the Bible says and what the original writer intended. But Dr. De La Torre's pieces comprise a spate of crapola.

He seems to be motivated because of significant national interest is stopping ILLEGAL immigration which does bring with it crime and excessive social problems.

As a college professor--yes, I also have a Ph.D--I worked with teacher education students in one particular school with a very high percentage of Mexican children of migrant farm workers. These were great kids and all they wanted to do was learn. Their parents brought no more crime or social problems than white Americans in the same area. Most, as far as I know were in the US legally. They followed a legal process, While there will always be racial bigotry of some sort, I believe the vast majority of Americans have no problem with legal immigrants. But unrestrained migration permitting in multitudes of criminal elements can wreck this country. It is not the race that is hated--it is the behavior. Yes, many white Americans do have initial issues when encountering people of certian other races but it is a response that has been learned and reinforced by bad behavior from those races.

My church of over 1600 here in a very multicultural state has as many non-white members as white members and there is no racial discrimination at all. It's about behavior and about coming to know other people as individuals and not seeing them as part of some racial group.
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written by robertangison, March 20, 2009
I don't what is more sad:
1. that the author is clearly glossing over the issues which he presented in an effort to justify himself or
2. that ABPNews allowed him to do so without offering a counterpoint to his statements

The previous opinion piece was as fine an example of liberal heterodoxy that I've seen in recent years. I have stopped recommending ABPNews to my freinds and fellow parishioners because I can't defend a news source that prints such pieces without a retraction and full apology.

In the previous piece there were clear points made to push a political agenda by corrupting the intent of Scripture, the nature of Jesus Christ, and the direct implication that Jesus was a racist. To attempt to obsfucate these issues with a follow up piece that glosses over the issues is simply inexcusable.

My personal theological position is definitely left of the current leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention. That is why I do not serve in any role in that leadership. Yet I still know what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable when writing theologically.

We may disagree over some doctrinal and peripherial issues but when one assails the very foundation of our faith we must say no and seek to correct biblically.

This kind of self-serving piece serves no purpose to this service and will only inflame passions more. I hope this is not the direct of ABPNews, but fear that is exactly where it is headed.

You and the Church!
Robert Angison
I hate to say "I told you so", but...
written by Ken, March 21, 2009
Twenty years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention was in a state of deep division. Some people insisted that the inerrancy of Scripture was absolutely essential to the Christian faith. They warned us that if we softened our stance on this issue, it would open the door to all kinds of heresies. Others said inerrancy was unimportant, and dismissed the warnings as demagoguery.

I think history has pretty much proven which side was correct. I couldn't help but be amused by the writers who denounced De La Torre's heresy (and rightly so), yet still speak ill of the current SBC leadership. Alas, when a church or denomination abandons the inerrancy of Scripture, heresies like De La Torre's are practically inevitable.
THERE ARE ANSWERS, BUT i DO NOT HAVE THEM.
written by mcskinny, March 21, 2009
It was interesting to me to go read this string of comments, then go back and reread the next to last paragraph of the article. "How many are willing to give their minds to Jesus?" I think the answer is "not very many!" Most of these comments are seem to me to be saying, "I know what I know because that is what I was taught and nothing will ever change my mind!"

The article is an invitation to read, study and think. Most critics of ABP are reluctant to attempt that task. When words and thoughts fail just throw in the words "liberal" and "inerrancy" to prove your point.

Paul also knew what he knew because that was what he had been taught by the greatest rabbinical teachers of his day. Paul was going about doing what he knew God wanted him to do. On the road to Damascus Paul had an encounter which made him take some time to read, study, commune with God and think about what he knew. Paul continued to do what he knew the Lord wanted him to do for the rest of his life, but it was very different to what his rabbis had taught him. Should some of us be willing to do the same?
Mac in Alabama
mcskinny
written by Ken, March 21, 2009
"Most of these comments are seem to me to be saying, 'I know what I know because that is what I was taught and nothing will ever change my mind!'"

Huh? I don't agree with most of the comments on this thread, but I've read very few who have said any such thing. Is it Christlike for you to misrepresent others?

"When words and thoughts fail just throw in the words 'liberal' and 'inerrancy' to prove your point."

Yes, I've used both of those words in my posts, because they are relevant to the subject at hand. What is your point? I suspect you are attacking my motives because you are unable to answer my questions.

"How many are willing to give their minds to Jesus?"

If Jesus was a racist, as De La Torre claimed, why should any of us give our minds to Him? If the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God, how can we be sure Jesus was not a racist?

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written by mcskinny, March 21, 2009
Most of these comments are seem to me to be saying, "I know what I know because that is what I was taught and nothing will ever change my mind!" I read the comments and thought about (as in studied) and wrote what they "seem to me" to be saying. How can that be misrepresenting?
That is in fact what most of them say to me.

Case in point: I went back and reread the previous article because I did not remember De La Torres calling Jesus a racist. He in fact asked the question, "Was Jesus a racist?" Who misrepresented whom?

Apparently a number of people did want to think about the answer from the perspective of Jesus learning as a human being. Was Jesus a human baby? As such did Jesus have to be potty trained. Were Jewish youngsters taught to be racist by their parents, elders, rabbis? Did the human Jesus have to learn that what he was taught about people different to himself might not necessarily be correct? What does Luke 2:52 say and mean in regards to this discussion?
Doesn't growing in wisdom mean Jesus learned?
Mac in Alabama
response to McSkinny
written by Dr. J, March 21, 2009
Dear McSkinny:
Both articles contain heresy. Jesus was sinless. Dirtying a diaper is not a sin. Jesus was 100% human and 100% God. Sure he learned how to live as a male child in Israel. But it did so without sin. There are many theological teachings that can be interpreted various ways according to the Holy Spirit's direction. The doctrine that Jesus was sinless is not one of those. He was either sinless and therefore the perfect lamb of God, or He was a fraud. I believe he was the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all mankind for all time. If he wasn't sinless, he could not have been the perfect sacrifice.
Ken, I am no longer a member of the SBC. That does not make me a heretic. In fact, I know many people who are great Christians who are not members of any Baptist convention. I do not want to put the SBC down. I disagree with somethings about SBC and more specifically MBC.I don't think any convention/denomination is 100% correct all the time and one every issue. But I don't think less of people who are members of SBC or MBC. I wish them God's speed- similar to Paul wishing well to those who followed different teachers. I would hope strong members of the SBC- like yourself- would wish God's speed to those of us who hold strong to a Biblically-based Christianity who are may be affiliated with a different convention/denomination.
mcskinny
written by Ken, March 21, 2009
Here is what you said:

"Most of these comments are seem to me to be saying, 'I know what I know because that is what I was taught and nothing will ever change my mind!'"

Even though I disagree with some of the comments on this thread, I've not read one that says what you claim. Thus, you are misrepresenting the people who made them.

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written by Ken, March 21, 2009
"Ken, I am no longer a member of the SBC. That does not make me a heretic."

Did I ever say that it did? Please cite where I said any such thing.

All I said was that the SBC leaders were correct when they warned about the dangers of liberal theology. When a church or a denomination embraces a low of Scripture, it inevitably embraces a low of Christ. Can you show me one church or denomination where such has not been the case?

I wish you would read my posts before you react to them. This is at least the second time you've accused me of saying things I never said.
response to Ken
written by Dr. J, March 22, 2009
Ken, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm not trying to start a fight. Sorry if that is how you interpret my words. I simply am stating that the SBC is not the only convention in which Truth may be found. My guess is you can find heretics in the SBC and every other convention under the sun. There are good Christians who do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. There are many, if not most, Christians who don't care how one interprets Scripture. They have found a personal relationship with our Lord. As I said before, until the 20th century, most Christians did not have a copy of the Bible to read, yet the Gospel flourished for 2 millenniums. I am not trying to be argumentative. I suspect we are very close in our beliefs. After 50 years in the SBC, I just don't think conventions are of much value.
How Sad ...
written by Kerry Denten, March 22, 2009
As an Australian Christian who just happened to "stumble" (or was led?) into this site, I am deeply saddened by the measure of vitriol used when responding to Professor De La Torre's considered defense of his original article .. and almost all of it done behind the anonymity of a cutesy username that won't let anyone know who we really are.

Before I comment, I thought I'd quickly help you understand where I'm coming from with what I am about to say. Y'see, I like to think of myself as a balanced Christian. I have both left AND right wings. I find this helps me to not fly around in useless circles!

And before I get to my point, may I also say to Professor De La Torre .. I was pleasantly surprised to hear you, as a Southern Baptist, refer to the United States as the "American empire". As an outsider looking in to the American situation, it seems that only those determined to defend an "idea" rather than a reality, deny the truth of your statement.

To those who have commented so far, and those who may take me to task in the future, please understand that I don't know Professor De La Torre at all, but I do have a question for all those who are questioning Professor De La Torre's salvation, the quality of his teaching, or what appears to be his overall intent in his article/s, and that is ... if Jesus came by and read your responses, what do you think He would make of them?

I'm saddened to say, I don't see much of the nature or love of Christ in any of them. But what I do see very clearly is the venom of the Pharisees.

Even more damning might be for you to consider what unbelievers or, God forbid, serious seekers might think if they were to read the way we treat each other?

It was to such a closed-minded, but vehement determination of Peter's, to hang on to an "idea" of what he thought the Messiah ought to be about, that Jesus Himself brought a stinging rebuke with a, "get behind me Satan!" (and note: I didn't quote from the KJV, because God doesn't actually speak like that.)

I wonder what Jesus would say to your dogged determination to hang on to a romantic idea of what "the perfect Lord" ought to be like? Seriously .. many of you who responded to Professor De La Torre appear to be so narrow, you could look through a keyhole with both eyes at the same time. And that's tragic.

Imagine how open-minded the disciples needed to be, to turn their backs on much of what they had been taught in the Temple, to now follow Jesus and His "new" teachings. How heretical!!

But, in Luke 11:52, after having rebuked the Pharisees for killing the prophets; the men and women who told them things they didn't want to hear; that Jesus went on to say, "Woe to you (literally, "may destruction come upon you") lawyers (keepers of the law)! For (by killing those who told you what you didn't want to hear) you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering." (explanatory additions in parentheses by the writer).

With that in mind, one thing we'd all agree that Jesus did when He walked the earth, was to rattle the cages of those who thought they had God and "the faith" all worked out. One thing that Professor De La Torre seems to have succeeded in doing is the exact same thing .. rattling your cages.

But it might interest you to note that it was a Baptist who once said to me, that "the only people who have their cages rattled, are the ones who are in them".

For your consideration ...

Kerry
I agree
written by JDog, March 23, 2009
Kerry,

I totally agree with you. Folks spend so much time arguing about this or that or the other or name-calling, they don't even respond to De La Torre's questions. Ken or Dr. J. haven't even touched Luke 2:52 and its implications on Jesus' upbringing, worldview, or socio-economic perspective, and how that shapes Jesus' approach to people who are not Jewish. Don't even get in another Lucan text: "Why do you call me good? There is no one good but one: God." (Reference alludes me here.)

This is not about heresy or liberalism or the ABP or the CBF or the SBC (for all are smokescreens), it's about the ability to read the text from an imaginative and thoughtful perspective. Don't we claim that the Bible is the "living and breathing word of God?" If so, then why treat the Bible--or Jesus (in this case, the "domesticated Jesus" as a professor once told me)--as if its an artifact that is dead, cold, and entirely exhausted of all its magic and mystery?

I predict that people will start commenting on my post, and yours Kerry, instead of actually offering up thoughtful reflection to the dialogue that De La Torre is trying to foster, whether or not one agrees with him.

So go ahead and comment on me. What will it be this time: Liberal? Heretic? Insane?

...Keep name calling, and you'll quickly lose the integrity to actually contribute to a potentially decent and civil conversation. That is, if you haven't lost it entirely.
Dr. J
written by Ken, March 23, 2009
"Ken, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth."

Then why did you do it? It seems to me you do an awful lot of things on this site that you're "not trying" to do. Perhaps you should weigh your words a little more carefully.

"There are good Christians who do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture."

I'd be interested in what you define as a "good Christian." Be that as it may, that's beside my point. My point is, when a church or denomination denies the inerrancy of Scripture, it inevitably leads to heresy. Can you show me even one exception to that rule?

"There are many, if not most, Christians who don't care how one interprets Scripture."

Is that a good thing? Perhaps you should read Matthew 7:15 and 1 John 4:1. Jesus certainly cared about how people interpreted Scripture. That's why He often got into it with the Jewish religious leaders.

"As I said before, until the 20th century, most Christians did not have a copy of the Bible to read, yet the Gospel flourished for 2 millenniums."

Why do you think the Reformers wanted to translate the Bible into the language of the people? They wanted more people to be able to read the Bible for themselves, and thus enable the spread of the gospel. How can you have the gospel without the Bible? You're distinction is a false one.

By the way, I recall you making this statement on another thread: "How one interprets the Scripture should not divide us. Prior to the 20th century it was not an issue." I'd be interested in knowing where you acquired that bit of information, because it's not true. I suggest you take a refresher course in church history.
P.S. to Dr. J
written by Ken, March 23, 2009
Why do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Why do you believe homosexuality is a sin? On what basis do you label anything as sinful? If you refer to the Bible in any of your answers, you will defeat your own argument.

In other words, if the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God, how are you supposed to separate the truth from the falsehood? How do you determine which parts of the Bible are true and which parts are not? I have asked you that question many times, and I've asked it of many other people on this site. I have yet to receive an answer, and that pretty much proves my point.
More Thoughts and Comments--What is the Debate All About and What Does the Passage Mean?
written by oeytg, March 24, 2009
Dear Dr. De La Torre,

Thanks very much for the latest message.

I agree that most of the comments are bombastic, and don't seem to address the points of your argument.

You state that you never called Jesus a racist in your original article, but in the following paragraph you all but made that statement, and implied that Jesus was in the extreme racist minority rather than the silent racist majority:

However, there remains an unexamined majority who are complicit with social structures that -- whether they like it or not -- are racist in their favor. They may not go to the extreme, like Jesus did, in refusing a medical healing to a woman of color while calling her a dog; nevertheless, the inherent racism in the medical establishment accomplishes the same goal without having to overtly refuse a healing or call people of color dogs.

So now if you say that you never called Jesus a racist, is that a retraction of the above paragraph?

I still think it is still better to argue that Jesus was speaking out of irony. He was actually addressing his followers rather than directly the Canaanite women when he called her a "dog." I don't think the word has a derogatory implication as in modern English, but it certainly implies a racist paternalism in which non-Jews were considered lower than Jews. But I also think Jesus used the term, not because he believed that non-Jews were dogs, but he wished to test the woman's faith in front of the disciples, and she passed the test. The woman certainly had humility and also insisting in her equal rights as part of the family of God. She was saying, even dogs have the right to be fed, how much more do we Gentiles, who are human beings. She did not necessarily accept the implication than non-Jews were dogs, nor did Jesus ultimately argue that non-Jews were dogs; he was in fact trying to challenge the conventional racial paternalism of the Jews by exposing the term "dog" and its inherent weakness in front of the disciples. He was probably simply quoting a conventional saying of the Jews about non-Jews, rather than providing an explicit endorsement of that saying.

Was this a learning moment for Jesus? I don't think so, he already had learned that non-Jews were accepted by God. He had spoken to the woman at Samaria (John 4) and he had healed the centurion's servant (Matthew 8), both incidents indicating his acceptance of non-Jews. Did Jesus have to learn to accept non-Jews sometime during his life? Certainly so, for why else would he teach that we should love our enemies in the Sermon on the Mount? But I certainly think it was a learning incident for the woman and the disciples.

What's the Passage All About--part 2
written by oeytg, March 24, 2009
In any case, Paul reverses the term "dog" to refer to Christians of Jewish background who hold a legalistic attitude (Phil. 3:2). Proverbs 26:11 and 2 Peter 2:22 use the term dogs and pigs in a metaphorical sense to refer to humans who wallow in their sin, not in the sense to deny their essential goodness and humanity. And Revelation 22:15 refers to unjust people who practice sorcery as dogs. In these passages, "dog" has the connotation of the sinful state of human beings rather than a specific racial connotation or the connotation of superiority of one race over another.

Also, the term "dog" does not necessary imply inferiority to humans as if non-Jews are subhuman, for Jesus speaks of Israel as "lost sheep." In other words, he was freely using animal metaphors for both Jews and non-Jews alike. It seems pointless to push such metaphors as holding implications that were not intended.

If we accept your "retraction" when you state that you never called Jesus a racist, then there is no reason for us to argue that you are a heretic, nor for you to accept the label of heretic. And when you state you are a Christian "heretic," you are simply resorting to hyperbole, and it seems to me that what you mean is that you are a Christian radical, you are trying to undertand the radical implications of Jesus' teachings, and you are not really trying to push a doctrinal heresy, and you are simply adopting the word "heretic" because of its "shock value." At least this would be a charitable reading of your words, wouldn't it?

When you say you are trying to protect the rights of Latinos and Latinas, particularly the undocumented, I think there is some confusion here. Most Latinos and Latinas are legal residents of the US. Also, not all undocumented persons are Latinos and Latinas. If I were Latino, I would be proud of my heritage (after all, Florida and the entire Southwest including Texas, California and Colorado were originally colonies of Spain and should be proud of their Latino heritage. The 450 year history of Hispanics in what is now the United States is 50 years longer than that of Anglo-Americans). To say or imply that Latinos and Latinas are undocumented may be some kind of negative self-stereotype. Why don't you simply state that undocumented persons are people, and need medical care, regardless of their racial origin? So maybe there is no reason to racialize the debate over providing medical benefits to undocumented persons, or to resort to hyperbole and exaggerated statements.

It's interesting to note that in the parallel passage of Mark 7:24-30, the woman is called a Greek or Gentile and a member of the Syrophoenician race rather than a Canaanite. In Matthew's version, Jesus explicitly praises the faith of the woman.
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written by Christine Moore, March 24, 2009
God bless you, Professor De La Torre. My thoughts echo Kerry from Australia, but it also occurs to me to ask a simple question: What is so wrong about being called a dog? Perhaps the rabbi was providing another layer to his lesson...We humans have a lot to learn from our canine companions -- some of the 'least of these' who share this earth. In fact, we might bring more delight to our Creator if we displayed some of the same fruits of the Spirit in our own lives......
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written by tj282828, March 24, 2009
Kerry,

I agree with you on your points about the conversation's overall tone on this page, but not substance. Your middle of the road approach does not take a position, and opens the door to anything. The real question is this: does heresy exist? If you answer yes then battles must be fought. If fighting fun? No. Are Christians called to fight the good fight? Yes. Your middle of the road, accept everything approach to theology fights for nothing and stands for nothing. Jesus fought with the Pharisees (conservatives) and Sadducees (liberals). He made everyone angry because He stood, argued, and fought for the truth. God's ways are not our ways, and when man encounters the truths of God he becomes angry. This is why Christ promised persecution. Are you ever persecuted? I doubt it. . . because at the end of the day you stand for nothing except being nice. Believers are to be nice, but also fight for truth.

Yes, I did make generalizations, but I believe you will agree that the shoe generally fits.

For your consideration. . .
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written by Kerry Denten, March 24, 2009
Dear tj282828 (did your Mum name you that?),

Thanks so much for your comments.

I have a close friend and the two of us have been ministry partners and shared many platforms together in many parts of the world .. and one of the things he taught me was .. "our language betrays us". In other words, "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks".

And the amazing thing about it is, there's nothing we can do about it, because what we believe will ALWAYS eventually come out of our mouths, displaying what is truly in our hearts. And that's what I'm most concerned about in this forum; that what is being displayed through the words we're using, is anything BUT the true nature of Christ.

And that, I believe, is a major problem with the way so many are responding to Professor De La Torre's article/s. If nothing else, I'm thankful that Professor De La Torre is a creative thinker, willing and able to engage the Scriptures with passion, and deep thoughtfulness. Y'see, I believe Christendom has far too many preachers, worship leaders, self-help authors, song writers and recording artists, and far too few real thinkers.

Trouble is, most Christians just like a good argument. But to think, REALLY think, you have to stay quiet long enough to listen, and that's something few of us are good at, because it seems once we've got a hold of "truth", no matter what it's Christian brand, we've just got to ram it down other people's throats until they agree with us .. otherwise, they're heretics .. because we said so, so there! Again, how sad ...

As I've now been accused of being nice, might I say, I don't need to be "nice" to demonstrate grace. Grace is violent! It requires far more self control (a fruit of the Spirit) to display grace in the face of opposition, than it does to take up weapons and fight to be right.

Jesus didn't fight with the Pharisees and Sadducees. When they were wrong, He simply rebuked them! He never had lengthy arguments (perhaps vain arguings??) like those published in the comments section of this website. Rather, most of His talking was done with the "scum of the earth" because they were willing to listen, and to change.

His only fights came not from the words He used, but from the life He lived and the Kingdom He manifested. He just got on with the work at hand, leaving others to as they chose to live, but displaying a far better way for them.

He fought death by raising Lazarus from the dead.

He fought disease, by healing the sick.

He fought the Devil, by casting our demons.

He fought temptation, but leaning heavily on the grace of His Father.

He fought empirical dominionism by displaying the Kingdom.

He fought sin, by dying ... for us.

And today, we waste our time fighting with each other. How sad ...

So my comment about having both left and right wings, was not to demonstrate that I am willing to believe anything. Rather, it's to say that I might in fact be balanced enough in the manifestation of my faith, and secure enough in the assurance of my salvation, to allow myself to be challenged by thinking that is presently outside my norms.

Now I know I'm going to get myself in trouble here, but let me stretch your thinking with something I absolutely do believe ..

I believe the Bible is NOT the word of God.

I believe the word of God is a person .. and His name is Jesus.

The Bible, what we call the word of God, is Scripture. And it is so secure in its own identity, that that's what it calls itself. See 2 Timothy 3:16 if you don't believe me.

But the Apostle John called a man the "word of God", not a book.

We need to live for, and like, the Man, and stop fighting over the book .. because He never did.

The different between Jesus and us is, we say what He lived; but He lived what He said .. and He did so far better than any of us probably ever will.
Kerry
written by Ken, March 25, 2009
"His [Jesus] only fights came not from the words He used...."

I beg to differ. Jesus' words often got Him into trouble. You can be sure He didn't endear Himself to the Pharisees when He called them "hypocrites" and a "brood of vipers." When He said, "The Father and I are one", people tried to stone Him. They had the same reaction when He said, "Before Abraham was, I am."

"But the Apostle John called a man the "word of God", not a book."

And we know that because -- THE BIBLE SAYS SO! Thus, your whole argument collapses under its own weight. If the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God, why should we believe what it says?
clear statement about article
written by Dr. J, March 25, 2009
Sorry for the digression. The first article and this article clearly promote heresy. Jesus was sinless. Jesus was 100% God and 100% human. To suggest Jesus sinned or was racist or made racist comments because of his upbringing or education is clearly heretical. There is a big difference between constructive thinking and creatively thinking up heresy. Any good biblical scholar would object to these two ridiculous articles.
For oeytg
written by JDog, March 26, 2009
Thank you for the biblical insights into the "dog" usage. It enlightens the scripture in many ways!
Heresy?
written by unorthodoxology, March 30, 2009
Calling something heresy doesn't make it false, just uncomfortable.

Maybe Jesus was a racist. I find that reading compelling and exceptionally true to the story, though perhaps not to the thousands of years of scholarship that developed in the Orthodox and Catholic churches in the early years of Christianity.

Another interesting question, though, is perhaps there is also a changing definition of sin. Perhaps using a racial slur -- and dog is a racial slur, in the diminutive form or not -- wasn't sinful in the days of Jesus. It wasn't even sinful in early American culture, or even in late 20th century culture in many parts of the country. It doesn't make racism unsinful during those times. It is still a sin. But the society's understanding of sin had not progressed to the point we are at today.

Thus sin is dynamic and changing rather than a static definition.
response to unorthodoxy
written by Dr. J, March 31, 2009
Dear Unorthodoxy:
Why not write your own salvation plan? I am not uncomfortable knowing that Jesus was sinless. He was not racist. He was/is perfect. Jesus is the completion of God's revelation. All we need to know about God is found in Jesus. If you want to make up a way to God outside of the our knowledge of Jesus as recorded in the Bible and Holy Spirit, to make you feel good- Ok by me. I've just gotta tell you, your way would make me very uncomfortable.
not heretic, just need context
written by theotrek, April 04, 2009
A little context goes a LONG way. Jesus in Mt 15:21-28 is answering in practice the issue arisen in Mt 15:10-20. He takes the teaching of 10-20 and shows his disciples how it applies to real people in 21-28. It is not that he is unwilling to treat this gentile woman with grace. He offers her the traditional Jewish response. As she reveals her faith (demonstrating what he had just been teaching his disciples), he offers her his standard response of grace, mercy, love, acceptance. It is not what goes into the mouth or one's ties to Jewish tradition that defile or define faith. It is the attitude of the heart and one's response to God. This woman ate unholy food, was unattached to a circumcised Jewish male, and was considered a dog in the eyes of most every Jew. Jesus goes beyond that stereotypical response, much as with the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus uses the comment to juxtapose the traditional response and expectation to the gospel he preaches. He allows her to teach his disciples, driving home a point he had already made. All have access to God's grace.
funny, but not funny
written by robber, April 04, 2009
There is nothing wrong with constructive conversation. Some of the thread comments fall into that category, some do not. In a way, Mr. DLT is encouraging the conversation to take place. For that I give him at least a morsel of credit. I have already responded to his original article in that discussion thread, and I feel no need to regurgitate. Unfortunately that is what DLT is doing in this article. Stirring up the same emotions, and relishing in the angst and hate that he produces. Meanwhile he's patting himself on the back for being so contentious. Where is the love in that?

I personally have seen enough. For a while I would tune back in to the ABP just to see what DLT was up to, but if all I get is self-promotion and self-glee there is no reason to return. DLT actually had something going for a while, but writing a column to pat himself on the back for a previous column literally makes me want to vomit. It's actually funny in a way, that he thinks he is so provocative. But what's not funny is for us to keep reading this stuff and arguing about it in the discussion threads. All it does is stroke the ego of DLT. Does everybody see what I mean? We're being played like a drum. I'll be a part of it no longer. Fools can spout whatever hate they wish, but if we continue to provide an audience then we are just as guilty. The best way to defeat someone like DLT and ABP is to ignore them.
Rachel, I love your thought
written by cyr514, May 05, 2009
I don't know what the author previously wrote but in my heart, Rachel nailed it and I love her for it:
"funny how the Canaanite woman didn't argue the fact that she'd been called a dog. it takes that kind of humility, and a willingness to be seen as "the scum of the earth" (1 Cor. 4:13), to be a follower of Christ."
This is the truth that sets us free...being able to see the dogs that we are, frees us to be children of the most high through the Son. Because unless we can see our dogness, our dogness remains. I love you Jesus! Thank you for speaking the Truth, no matter how hard it is for some to hear. How could we worship you otherwise? Saint Catherine of Sienna spoke of it in this way, "Self-knowledge is the dwelling in which we discover our own lowliness, and this makes us humble. There we find the knowledge of God's goodness too, and in this light a warmth, a fire of love, is born in us..."
Problem
written by Jonathan Biddle, May 13, 2009
I would have to say that one of the main problems with all these comments and the article itself is that we are failing to the see the difference between Jesus and us. Many of y'all are making arguments and comparisons that don't stand if you just think about it. You have compared yourself with Jesus in talking to dogs who will actually listen instead of the Pharisees. The only problem is that Jesus already established the new covenant and there are no more creative interpretations or additions left to be made! He is the final answer and authority on OT law. Why do you set yourself up and place yourself in His shoes? You (speaking generally of author and commenters) have compared yourself to the disciples who need to humbly accept new teaching. The only problem, again, is that Jesus already did that. In our attempts to be Christlike, we have been making ourselves like God. We are not ever told to take Christ's place. Just simply follow in His teaching and humbly accept what He has said.
(I also find it interesting that you called yourself and literalist. That's interesting compared with your most recent article.)

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