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John Piper says possible tornado a warning to Lutherans Print E-mail
By Bob Allen   
Thursday, August 20, 2009
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MINNEAPOLIS (ABP) -- A Baptist pastor and popular Calvinist author says it was no accident that tornado-force winds hit downtown Minneapolis the same week that the nation's largest Lutheran group was meeting there to debate liberalizing its policies toward gays.

John Piper, pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, wrote in an Aug. 20 blog that powerful winds that ripped through the city Aug. 19 were "a gentle but firm warning" to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.

The storm, which has not yet been confirmed as a tornado, caused roof and water damage to the Minneapolis Convention Center, where the ELCA was holding its national convention. About 2,200 people were registered for the convention. People inside the building were taken to a safe location, and there were no reports of injury, according to the Associated Press.

Just across the street, winds damaged the steeple and shattered windows at Minneapolis' Central Lutheran Church, which was also being used as an ELCA meeting venue. About 120 people were inside, a church spokesman told the AP.

Piper cited Bible passages to make the case that official church statements condoning sin dishonor God, Jesus Christ controls the wind and that everyone faces calamity unless they all repent.

Piper said God's message to Lutherans is: "Turn from the approval of sin. Turn from the promotion of behaviors that lead to destruction. Reaffirm the great Lutheran heritage of allegiance to the truth and authority of Scripture. Turn back from distorting the grace of God into sensuality. Rejoice in the pardon of the cross of Christ and its power to transform left- and right-wing sinners."

On Aug. 19 the ELCA assembly adopted a statement agreeing to disagree on the morality of "lifelong monogamous same-gender relationships."

John Piper is chief spokesman for a renewed interest in Calvinism, which is taking root on evangelical campuses around the country. (Desiring God Ministries)

On Aug. 21, delegates were expected to take up another volatile issue: whether to change the church's existing policy that requires gays and lesbians in the ministry to remain celibate.

Piper, 63, is considered a chief spokesman for the resurgence of Calvinism among Baptists. Calvinism is the a name given to a Reformation set of doctrines emphasizing God's sovereignty over human free will. He is a popular speaker and author of more than 30 books. His best-selling Desiring God has sold more than 275,000 copies. 

Piper's Desiring God Ministries conducts four annual conferences: A fall national conference in Minneapolis, a winter pastor's conference and two regional conferences in other cities. 

Piper has led Bethlehem Baptist Church, which is affiliated with the Baptist General Conference, since 1980.

Piper's resurgent Calvinism is popular on a number of conservative evangelical campuses, including Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.

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Bob Allen is senior writer for Associated Baptist Press.





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written by ABP Reader, August 20, 2009
Never have cared much for John Piper as a theologian, but this kind of theology is especially regrettable!
Calvinists
written by mcskinny, August 21, 2009
I believe Piper's statement about the tornado being judgment on Lutherans this ever bit as I believe Calvin was right in his theology or that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson were correct about 9/11.
Charlie Mac
no judgement would ever come from God
written by Xenophon, August 21, 2009
Of course, God would never judge sin or fire a warning shot over a nation's proverbial bow. God is all love and compassion. (I say this with my tongue in my cheek.)
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written by tj282828, August 22, 2009
This is very interesting. How is God suppose to speak to the Lutherans? The Bible you say, well they reject its clear teachings. Perhaps supernaturally through the weather. . . no, according to liberals God can't do that either. So how does God speak to a liberal denomination?
How Does God Speak To Anyone?
written by mcskinny, August 23, 2009
Fundamentalist Calvinist answer: God had it all planned out from the beginning how, when, what, where, and who He would speak to.

Liberal answer: Through the Holy Spirit living within the believers heart. John 16:7-11
Charlie Mac
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written by tj282828, August 23, 2009
So, Charlie Mac, how does a liberal know the difference between the Spirit and their own wicked/deceitful heart? (Jer. 17:9). . . be careful, you might just answer with the Bible! What an unliberal or even conservative thing to say. . .
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written by tj282828, August 23, 2009
2 Timothy 4

1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at[a] His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
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written by Ray, August 24, 2009
Greg Boyd has posted a response to John Piper on his blog:

http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/did-god-send-a-tornado-to-warn-the-elca/
Back at you
written by mcskinny, August 25, 2009
tj2-----,
the best answer to your question is to ask how a fundie knows it is the Holy Spirit speaking and not Satan? I read somewhere in the Bible says God was not in the wind (as Piper claims?), but in a still small voice.
Charlie Mac
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written by tj282828, August 26, 2009
Charlie Mac,

Any argument based upon the Bible I can respect. . . and I respect your use of scripture. Yet a true liberal's god is his own mind. Parts of the Bible that are not liked become discarded, and parts that are liked are focused upon. There is no faith or trust in doing whatever one wants. . . and picking an choosing the parts of the Bible one will follow IS doing whatever one wants.
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written by tj282828, August 26, 2009
You do realize you are playing the conservative card here. Piper has said he feels something in his heart. . . wind came from God to punish Lutherans. You answer with scripture. . . good for you. Just remember that when your liberal heart says "I feel X", and a conservative starts quoting scripture to you. Next time the scripture quoting person will be doing what you have just done.
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written by BaptDude, August 30, 2009
John Piper is a fool. He forgets the words of Jesus to the people who wanted to stone the prostitute. Also, Piper is quoting bits and pieces of scripture that support his agenda. Once again, this a classic case of a loud voice misusing scripture and saying terrible things in the name of God.

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