New Voice Media | Associated Baptist Press
     
 
Tuesday, February 09, 2010
Home arrow News arrow Bad marriage 'not an excuse for sin,' speaker tells seminary women
 
Bad marriage 'not an excuse for sin,' speaker tells seminary women Print E-mail
By Bob Allen   
Tuesday, November 03, 2009

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (ABP) -- A Boyce College instructor told women at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary that a bad marriage is "not an excuse for sin," and in a worst-case scenario a submissive wife might be forced to "suffer wrong."

"In a relationship crisis, sometimes our instincts are exactly wrong," Heath Lambert, instructor of biblical counseling and department coordinator of biblical counseling, told seminary wives and female students at a Pendergraph Women's Ministry conference on the seminary campus in Louisville, Ky. 

Lambert

"Sometimes when we are horribly mistreated by a spouse, by your husband, your flesh screams to get mad, get even or just get out -- I just want to get out of this thing. I'm going to leave," he said.

But the former associate and senior pastor at churches in Kentucky and North Carolina counseled that barring physical danger, even a worst-case-scenario relationship crisis "is not an excuse for sin."

Lambert's comments were part of an Oct. 27 presentation on relationships promoted with: "In the days of no-fault divorce and socially acceptable bad dating relationships, how do we strive to honor God in our relationships?"

Lambert said being submissive does not mean that a wife cannot confront her husband's sin, but it doesn't have to be "in a nagging, unloving, unsubmissive way."

If efforts to engage the husband do not work, he said a wife in a crisis relationship should turn to her church.

"You need people to evaluate if you are safe, if you are safe from violence in the case of abuse, if you're safe from disease in the case of adultery," he said. "You need people to help you do that."

If the husband persists in acting "like an unbeliever" after others have gotten involved, he said, "as long as you are safe, eventually you have to adopt what I'm calling the Sarah principle." It is taken from I Peter 3:6, where the Old Testament patriarch is mentioned as an example of husbands won over by good conduct of their wife.

Lambert called it a model of last resort.

"The first step is not, 'Well, I'll just take it. I'll just take bad treatment,'" he said. "It's never the step to endure a dangerous situation, to endure a situation where you are being abused and hurt. You need to get help immediately in that situation."

After engaging and getting help, he said, "Only then are you willing to suffer wrong."

Lambert said relationships can be difficult and marriages can be very painful. In those cases, he said, Christians have a responsibility to "draw near to God" and to "honor Christ and obey his Word."

"In our relationships, God doesn't promise us a pain-free life," Lambert said. "He doesn't promise us pain-free relationships. In fact he promises the opposite. Jesus says this world will give us trouble, but when the worst-case scenario of relationships comes along, it's going to hurt. There's going to be pain, but God wants to use that to make you more like his son."

Earlier Lambert advised women in bad marriages to take responsibility for their own sin before putting the blame solely on their husband.

"Now, we've got to be very careful here," Lambert said. "It's possible that in a relationship crisis -- in fact it's more than possible, it's probable -- that your sin has something to do with the crisis."

Lambert said a woman is not responsible for her husband's sin against her, "but we do live in a world where sinful people influence sinful people."

"My sin is never responsible for your sin, but my sin can create a context for your sin," he said. "My sin can tempt, can woo and can entice you to sin, and I may need to take responsibility for that, and you might need to take responsibility for that."

He said that while it is possible in a "worst-case scenario" for a wife to do nothing to contribute to her husband's sin, "I can tell you this: I have never in my life -- whether as a pastor, as a counselor or just as a human being that knows people -- I have never met a victimized spouse who responded perfectly to their spouse's sin against them, who's always been righteous in their response, who's never sinned in their response to the sin of the spouse. I've never met that person."

Pendergraph Women's Ministry was established in 1984 by the widow of a former student for fellowship and sharing common concerns for seminary wives. It was expanded to include female students in 1995.

Boyce College, Southern Seminary's baccalaureate arm, has been offering bachelor's degrees since 1998.

-30-

This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it  is senior writer for Associated Baptist Press.

 





Reddit!Del.icio.us!Google!Live!Facebook!Slashdot!Technorati!StumbleUpon!Spurl!Newsvine!Blinklist!Furl!Fark!Yahoo!Ma.gnolia!Free social bookmarking plugins and extensions for Joomla! websites!
Comments (13)Add Comment
...
written by KT2005, November 03, 2009
Matthew 5

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren[c] only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors[d] do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

How I don't like this verse!!! Yet Christ loved me when I hated Him. I don't suspect wives get a pass when they have bad husbands. . .
...
written by Nabhi, November 03, 2009
I would assume, then, that you, as that kind of literalist, are a pacifist as Jesus commmanded His disciples to be.
...
written by KT2005, November 03, 2009
Luke 22

35 And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”
So they said, “Nothing.”
36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’[d] For the things concerning Me have an end.”
38 So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”
And He said to them, “It is enough.”

Do pacifist tell people to buy swords? ;-)
...
written by Nabhi, November 03, 2009
Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek" etc. Apparently, those commands are way to inconvenient for you.
response
written by Dr. J, November 03, 2009
Wow! I would discourage all females from visiting Pendergraph for help with an abusive relationship. Gender has nothing to do with abuse. No person should remain in an abusive relationship.
...
written by Jesdisciple, November 03, 2009
Nabhi: Turn the other cheek, yes. But sometimes God says to speak softly and carry a big stick, as KT2005 showed.
...
written by M.G., November 03, 2009
What Dr. J said. Also, abuse is NEVER the abused's fault, no matter how they "influenced" their abuser, they NEVER deserve it in any way, shape, or form.
...
written by Tox1042, November 04, 2009
Wonderful, yet another Christian perspective telling women that the "Christian" action is to stay in abusive relationships. In fact if your marriage is verbally abusive it might be your fault! What a harmful thing for women to hear. Yet another example of the misogyny advocated by the Southern Baptist Convention and Southern Baptist Seminary.

Complete and utter bullshit.
feel sorry for this guy's wife
written by robber, November 05, 2009
I think there's a difference between a "bad" marriage, or a "struggling" marriage and an "abusive" marriage. Each situation is different, but I think couples should always give God a chance to help them through difficulties. And we should remember that God's ways are not like our ways. However, I see language like Mr. Lambert used as really dangerous. I echo the thoughts of many on this page. One -- either male or female -- should never stay in an abusive relationship, especially under the guise of "submission."
Listen to the talk before you comment
written by lel1234, November 06, 2009
I have listened to the entire message and I would encourage all of you who are commenting on it without listening to it to do so. It is clear by your comments that you don't know what was actually said at Pendergraph. Dr. Lambert addresses all of your concerns and repeatedly urges women who are unsafe to get help and not remain in any physical danger. This article is a gross misrespresentation of Dr. Lambert's postition. Again- listen to the talk. It was extremely helpful--do so especially if you are suffering in a relationship crisis or trying to minister to someone who is.
...
written by DanGreen, November 08, 2009
There you go, ladies. Just suck it up and submit to the jerk. And this man is a professor? Of what?
This is both unChristian and unBiblical. Yet we continue to sit around year after year swallowing this idiocy because somebody who's supposedly "educated" puts it out. We're sheep, all right.
to lel1234
written by robber, November 08, 2009
If what you say is true, and I don't know anything first-hand, then this Lambert ought to sue the ABP for slander. It probably wouldn't be hard to create a class-action suit. I would be happy to contribute to the fund.
Dr. Lambert thinks Denial is a river in Egypt
written by Waneta Dawn, November 10, 2009
"It is clear by your comments that you don't know what was actually said at Pendergraph."

lel1234, back at you. It is clear that you don't know what was actually said/meant. Please read up on domestic violence. Read "Why does he DO That?" by Lundy Bancroft, or try my novel, "Behind the Hedge" for a better picture of what it is like to live with a "Christian" abuser. Submission (or any other sin the victim could commit) rarely has anything to do with it. Dr. Lambert is clearly refusing to categorize non-physical abuse as dangerous. He is calling leaving the non-physical abuser sin, instead of calling the abuse sin. The Bible tells us to "as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." It is impossible to live at peace with an abuser, because he makes it impossible. He purposely CREATES conflict. Once he gets his way, he feels free to CREATE conflict again, to force her to go back to the way it was before he created conflict in the first place.

The Bible also tells us to flee idolatry. Yet abusive husbands, by use of intimidation and threats, force their wives to place their husbands above God. It is "husbandolotry" a term coined by Jocelyn Andersen, author of "Woman Submit! Christians and Domestic Violence"

Non-physical abuse is extremely dangerous. Even if her husband does not attempt to kill her with his physical actions, he is killing her slowly with his words, causing her to get stress diseases that will kill her the same as if he had killed her with his own hands. Dr. Lambert is either uninformed or denying the reality of life with an abuser.

Readers alone are responsible for the content of the comments they post here. The comments are subject to the site’s terms and conditions of use and do not necessarily reflect the opinion or approval of the ABP News. Readers whose comments violate the terms of use may have their comments removed or all of their content blocked from viewing by other users without notification.
Write comment
You must be logged in to leave a comment. Login | Register
busy
 
< Prev   Next >
Copyright © 2007-2010 Associated Baptist Press, All Rights Reserved.